ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
SWAPA decided to close the strike vote early as they already had 98% participation and a 99% YES vote.
SWAPA Strike Vote Closed Early
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ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Just another step in the RLA process.
This one gives SWAPA leadership the authority to call a strike if/when they reach that point that the railway labor act allows it.
Nick
Well-Known Member
Can you imagine being that 1 out of every 100 that took the time to log in after years of negotiations and vote NO?
Would that pilot question themselves and think, "Why am I outnumbered 100 to 1 on this topic?"
Of course, that type doesn't ask themselves that; rather, they let their [next of many] F/Os know why they're right.
Awesome turnout, even better results! Well done, on to the next phase!
Would that pilot question themselves and think, "Why am I outnumbered 100 to 1 on this topic?"
Of course, that type doesn't ask themselves that; rather, they let their [next of many] F/Os know why they're right.
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Awesome turnout, even better results! Well done, on to the next phase!
ClearedForOption
Psychiatric Help 5¢
They are too busy working the system to their benefit doing whatever SWA calls "green slips" - premium, double time, etc. Don't want to upset the apple-cart of (redacted) to their (redacted) selfish benefit.
The whole system is already skewed against labor because of the limitations of the RLA and how it's been gutted by conservative judges over the last 20-30 years. (and we all saw how well it played out for the actual 'railway' workers.)
There is absolutely ZERO reasons to not vote to authorize.
Oddly, just like the general election, there are 'protest voters'.
"I don't want (ALPA/SWAPA/whoever) to have a unanimous vote or they'll (work not as hard/push a strike/not bring me a pony/I'm a 'right to work' type and don't believe in socialist unions/whatever)
Truth!
We got an amazing contract (Thanks @Richman) but some people think it's the end of the world and they want to turn in their ALPA card.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
What is wrong with people.....?
Everything!
Crockrocket94
Well-Known Member
From one of our group chats, talking with a certain NO voter .
- They are happy with how the company has been treating them. They don't want to lose the golden goose that they've been using.
But they will HAPPILY take the gains we get them...
Eye rolls.
- They are happy with how the company has been treating them. They don't want to lose the golden goose that they've been using.
But they will HAPPILY take the gains we get them...
Eye rolls.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
They are called “members of the cartel” there, with regards to bidding.
The wrinkle is if you can come up with a system, any system, someone (or someones) can learn to game it out.
Been down that road at least a couple times.
ClearedForOption
Psychiatric Help 5¢
At my shop, a "Cartel" is a group of pilots that collude with trip-trading, both from the "trading board" and "open trips." They will pick trips up, trade them between each other, hold them for their fellow cartel members, and basically use their schedules like a giant Mutual Fund and the trips are the individual positions. (Or, so the story goes…)
A good example of gaming the system was our pre-CBA vacation system. In the before-times you were allowed to trade vacation periods with individual pilots. So senior pilots would trade desirable slots to their buddies who were junior. Also, as I was told by other pilots, desirable vacation periods were for sale starting at 1k and going up from there.
That loophole was ‘closed’ - but there are a ton of others out there. A history of airline CBAs is a history of people learning to game a system and management closing the loopholes the next time around.
And generally had their bid boards unseeable to other pilots (except management, etc).
There was one pilot who would pick up trips with captains no one wanted to fly with, for a small service fee.
The magic that happens on the 25th of the month.
Wonder if Zap has been inducted into there…..
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
I'm not in a trip trade cartel, but I admit that I am a part of a small vacation cartel.And generally had their bid boards unseeable to other pilots (except management, etc).
There was one pilot who would pick up trips with captains no one wanted to fly with, for a small service fee.
The magic that happens on the 25th of the month.
Wonder if Zap has been inducted into there…..
The most senior of us bids a block of 5 summer weeks. I'm the most junior so I bid a block of 3 spring break weeks. The other guys grab the two weeks around thanksgiving and Christmas. The senior guy trades summer weeks for spring break, and a holiday week or two.
So this year for example I ended up with a week of spring break, a week in the summer, and a week adjacent to thanksgiving.
Works good for a junior guy.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
There was one pilot who would pick up trips with captains no one wanted to fly with, for a small service fee.
That's frickin' brilliant, though.
That's frickin' brilliant, though.
Yeah, I forget his name. But he was known as the “Schedule fixer” or something like that. Got paired with a Capt you don’t want to fly with? Come see him, and he’ll take your flight you can’t give away, for a small fee. No hated Capt’s are excepted. He will fly with them all. Apparently, the female Capt on SWA 345 was a Capt he flew often with, and made lots of money taking trips for, as she was on so many lists. Lol
We had a guy in LA that no one wanted to fly with, then he upgraded then that "no fly list" (which only FOs get) just blossomed. It was so bad that not even LCA's wanted to deal with him, including myself.And generally had their bid boards unseeable to other pilots (except management, etc).
There was one pilot who would pick up trips with captains no one wanted to fly with, for a small service fee.
The magic that happens on the 25th of the month.
Wonder if Zap has been inducted into there…..
"Hey, I know you're off, we're in a bit of a pickle" (uh oh, there's a catch) "...but could you do a Hawaii SAQ?"
"Who is it?"
"(name)"
"Ha! NOPE! Put him with a lead out of another base!"
