American Airlines Flight 1005 Hits Light Pole At DFW

[jtrain609]

FO does it on taxi out (always nice when it comes during pushback / engine start ) but we are taught to say “I’m going heads down for a minute”.

I understand that it might be trAAdition to do this, but it doesn't look like this procedure worked out so well here, if in fact the cause was being heads down.

 

[nimslow]

I’ve been hearing it was a new captain doing OE and check airman was heads down with the load close out. No idea if that’s true or not.

Pretty senior DFW captain, and a really, really junior fo from another base.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

I haven’t done this yet, but it pretty much always feel like I’m about to.

 

[bike21]

I haven’t done this yet, but it pretty much always feel like I’m about to.

In that sense, you won't. Or at least drastically reduce the chances

 

[Screaming_Emu]

In that sense, you won't. Or at least drastically reduce the chances

We will see.

I will say that I like raised centerline lights because each bump the turtle gives guy tells you you’re right on centerline

 

[L-16B]

Pretty senior DFW captain, and a really, really junior fo from another base.

So you’re saying my captains info was wrong?!? Hahaha

I’m sure we will hear about it two years from now in the human factors portion of recurrent. But not before then.

 

[L-16B]

I understand that it might be trAAdition to do this, but it doesn't look like this procedure worked out so well here, if in fact the cause was being heads down.

Hard to bring chAAnge around here....

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I haven’t done this yet, but it pretty much always feel like I’m about to.

Wasn’t there a 747 that took out a house while taxiing?

 

[Kingairer]

Pretty much everything installed at an airport that sticks up is designed to be frangible. In this case the pole disconnected at its base instead of requiring enough force to snap it or pull it out from the foundation.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Hard to bring chAAnge around here....

Don’t know how true it is but I hear AA is a very CA centered airline when it comes to procedural stuff that at other places FOs would do. An example like CA makes the PA for FAs to be ready/seated for takeoff?

 

[Kingairer]

I understand that it might be trAAdition to do this, but it doesn't look like this procedure worked out so well here, if in fact the cause was being heads down.

"As workload permits" the book says.. No one teaches to go and punch the numbers into the box during taxi around the ramp.

 

[Kingairer]

Don’t know how true it is but I hear AA is a very CA centered airline when it comes to procedural stuff that at other places FOs would do. An example like CA makes the PA for FAs to be ready/seated for takeoff?

Thats correct. FOs do not talk on the PAA unless its delegated.

 

[BlueMoon]

I think I remember an MD88 taking on a light pole in BNA a few years back.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

I think I remember an MD88 taking on a light pole in BNA a few years back.

That thing was there for quite some time.

 

[Minuteman]

Wonder what the procedure will be for those folding wingtips on the 777X. Prob just flip 'em and drop 'em with the flaps during taxi.

I hate to say it, but ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> computer vision <-.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯ would be well-suited to be a virtual wing-walker here. Just plop a few more cameras under some clear fairings and hope the existing compute is sufficient. I mean, I know Lockheed is on, like, v3.0 of DAS and still huffing, but this is a problem that doesn't seem too tough ... unless there are bicycles on the ramp and Uber is involved.

 

[jtrain609]

Wonder what the procedure will be for those folding wingtips on the 777X. Prob just flip 'em and drop 'em with the flaps during taxi.

I hate to say it, but ¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> computer vision <-.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯ would be well-suited to be a virtual wing-walker here. Just plop a few more cameras under some clear fairings and hope the existing compute is sufficient. I mean, I know Lockheed is on, like, v3.0 of DAS and still huffing, but this is a problem that doesn't seem too tough ... unless there are bicycles on the ramp and Uber is involved.

Or you can just taxi on the yellow line. If something like this was invented, some captain would be using those cameras to monitor how close the wingtip is to the ground on crosswind landings and filing ASAP reports about how dangerous their FO's are because based on their judgement the wingtip was less than 34.5" from the ground which is a 15.1 degree bank and the limitation is 15.0"!!!!!!!!!

 

[derg]

I approve!

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Thats correct. FOs do not talk on the PAA unless its delegated.

When I'm taxiing, I won't make a PA unless the parking brake is set. FOs are supposed to do the talkin' on the ground. Consider it delegated

 

[derg]

Why are you doing PAs after pushback anyway? Weird.

 

[Richman]

trAAdition

Whenever I see that, I think of this: