JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
That’s on my “not likely” bucket list to fly, although I’m also not uncertain it wouldn’t be the thing that ends the bucket list.
1500hrs quantity<quality
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Pilot Fighter
Well-Known Member
Cri-Cri. I purchased plans for the original decades ago:
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
ahw01
Well-Known Member
Sonex? Love it!
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
It’s a whole lot more complicated than that. Anyone can crash an airplane, training, selection, and experience are just ways of mitigating the threat to an acceptable level. But the threat is never gone.
I’ll also argue that being a good or bad “stick” has way less to do with it than decision making does. The manipulation of the controls is the easy part and rarely is the reason for an accident.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
This. There's some old saw about superior decision making preventing you from having to display superior piloting...
There's other, more diverse things I'd like to do with flying. The way I'm keeping the experiences diverse is by teaching and by also operating my own plane for more interesting XC experiences. Given that I'm also the mech on the airplane for most things, there's been a whole new element layered into my decision making process.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Bernard was right, and FBW saves lives.
The last jet transport that became a smoking crater in the US happened because of a lack of pilot skill and the consequent inappropriate manipulation of the flight controls.
Sure, there were a lot of other antecedent and systemic flaws that put Conrad in that jet, but at the end of the day they’re dead and the jet is destroyed because he was a Bad Pilot.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I’d say going full forward in response to an accidental TOGA falls more into the poor decision making/reaction to unexpected occurrences than the ability to fly silky smooth steep turns.
There is obviously a minimum standard, which he obviously didn’t meet and I think someone should be charged with manslaughter for putting him there. But in 121 if you need to be a good stick, you done f-Ed up.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
A superior stick would not have buried the stick in the instrument panel, however.
Agreed, and I’m also 100% in favor of PRD, too.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
@Richman nailed it.
The reality is not everyone lives through those 1,500 hours, and those who do will have scared the ever living • out of themselves enough times to either fix bad habits or quit.
Experience is a requisite in every career field. Medical students have to get hands on experience in surgery, law students do internships. Would you allow a surgeon operate on you if they had CLEP'd medical school instead of getting the experience? If not, why would you let a pilot fly you to Florida who did the same?
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Because you're just rich enough to have a Citation operated Part 134.5 out of a hangar in South Florida, but you're not rich enough to run your own little airline with experienced pilots?
Oops, did I say that out loud?
Pilot Fighter
Well-Known Member
Well, everything is a decision on some level. I put continuous knowledge and interpretation of attitude and airspeed as stick-and-rudder skills.
Versus having time to evaluate options and picking a bad option.
If I die in IMC it will be a mid-air or CFT because I'm staring at the AI and airspeed. The departed Atlas FO didn't appear to understand how to maintain SA.
That said, quite a few Navy aircraft have been lost after a cat shot due to momentary disorientation. In these cases, no time to gather attitude/airspeed info before acting.
jgheggie
Well-Known Member
On the same note… none of the professions above allow a new hire or fresh graduate to “teach” others. Pilot training is the only profession that allows someone to teach a skill they literally just learned. Its comical to me. I’m a training officer in Law Enforcement and I could never in a million years allow someone fresh out of the academy to immediately start teaching at the academy.
Personally, I hope this “shortage” forces the airlines to address pilot training between the 250-1500 hour gap. I still believe a regional pilot would be far more equipped if they had 1000 hours on their own, and 500 hours of pure sim/airline training. Fully immersed in 121 operations/training for 500 hours. Sure it would cost the airlines a ton of money. But they are already throwing money at bonuses and retentions.
I have no idea how much sim training costs; but by my calculations 500 hours divided by 8 hours per day (factoring days off) only equates to about 3 months of paid training. Regionals could get away with paying a pilot roughly $6000 during that “training” period.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
I would add that the selection may not necessarily because of aeronautical reasons. If someone is a wackjob, asshat, or simply a bad employee, they tend to get weeded out as well. Maybe not as many as some would like, but certainly the outliers.
Pilot Fighter
Well-Known Member
As far as the Navy goes, SERGRADS have done well compared to IP's that have seen the fleet.
Pilot Fighter
Well-Known Member
I like the idea, but a 500 hour check ride doesn't look attractive.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
Sims tend to be highly scripted affairs. Nothing like real world experience.
Besides, there isn't enough sim time on the planet to do what you propose.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
“Turn base when you pass the fedex ramp”
