Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no vfr
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SurferLucas
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Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
Are we hitting them with the airplane? a missile? or perhaps a rubber hose when they land?
Are we hitting them with the airplane? a missile? or perhaps a rubber hose when they land?
///AMG
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Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
Too close for missiles....
Fox 2?
Too close for missiles....
ppragman
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Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
Were you in the airplane with him? Oh, no you were not? Then you don't know if he was VFR. What does the metar say about that airport at that time? Honestly, who cares?
Were you in the airplane with him? Oh, no you were not? Then you don't know if he was VFR. What does the metar say about that airport at that time? Honestly, who cares?
TwoTwoLeft
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Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
If we just stopped Pelosi, this wouldn't happen.
If we just stopped Pelosi, this wouldn't happen.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
Fire ze missiles!!!
Fire ze missiles!!!
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
Just for argument sake, it does happen and it does matter. I was going into an uncontrolled field on the ILS (was reported 200 1/2 on the ASOS) just at the final approach fix when a TCAS target popped up right in front of us coming off the field climbing. We had been making position reports on CTAF for the last 10 minutes and never heard this guy. I still had the Center freq on the second radio and heard him call center "just off airport XXX at 1000 feet looking for his IFR clearance to where ever".
Thankfully center got him radar contact quickly and turned him out of the way so we continued and landed about 2 minutes after he took off and the field was still 200 1/2. Sure, I SUPPOSE there could have been a hole that opened up for those two minutes and he climbed out in it, but it's not very likely.
Was it a huge safety issue? No, not really. With TCAS and EGPWS we can avoid most stuff out there and vector ourselves if we have to, but it's not very legal nor smart. We all are supposed to play by the rules and when somebody doesn't it makes life very difficult for those that do.
Just for argument sake, it does happen and it does matter. I was going into an uncontrolled field on the ILS (was reported 200 1/2 on the ASOS) just at the final approach fix when a TCAS target popped up right in front of us coming off the field climbing. We had been making position reports on CTAF for the last 10 minutes and never heard this guy. I still had the Center freq on the second radio and heard him call center "just off airport XXX at 1000 feet looking for his IFR clearance to where ever".
Thankfully center got him radar contact quickly and turned him out of the way so we continued and landed about 2 minutes after he took off and the field was still 200 1/2. Sure, I SUPPOSE there could have been a hole that opened up for those two minutes and he climbed out in it, but it's not very likely.
Was it a huge safety issue? No, not really. With TCAS and EGPWS we can avoid most stuff out there and vector ourselves if we have to, but it's not very legal nor smart. We all are supposed to play by the rules and when somebody doesn't it makes life very difficult for those that do.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
"Oh yessir, I was clear of clouds the whole time!"
(yeah, right, sure.)
Sounds like an ADM problem. Be glad you didn't hit him. Now, if it happens a LOT...
"Oh yessir, I was clear of clouds the whole time!"
(yeah, right, sure.)
Sounds like an ADM problem. Be glad you didn't hit him. Now, if it happens a LOT...
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Depends, was it Golf or Echo?
I'll depart IMC from a Golf field if I can't reach approach on the ground, though cellphones make this kind of moot these days. It would be nice if there were a system to issue a clearance via cell txt...
VFR from echo is also kosher, but if it is close - I'll call and get a clearance anyway. Fine line between being abundantly cautious and shutting down the field when you don't need to.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no
I'd call the Feds and not rest until the rule-breaker was breaking rocks in the hot sun.
Not really.
I'd say something unpleasant to him on the radio and go about my merry way. Life's too short to worry about all the billions of people who might, through their blind stupidity, arrogance, or ignorance, make it even shorter.
I'd call the Feds and not rest until the rule-breaker was breaking rocks in the hot sun.
Not really.
I'd say something unpleasant to him on the radio and go about my merry way. Life's too short to worry about all the billions of people who might, through their blind stupidity, arrogance, or ignorance, make it even shorter.
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