Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no vfr

Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

Boris Badenov said:
I'd call the Feds and not rest until the rule-breaker was breaking rocks in the hot sun.

Not really.

I'd say something unpleasant to him on the radio and go about my merry way. Life's too short to worry about all the billions of people who might, through their blind stupidity, arrogance, or ignorance, make it even shorter.
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Boris, you and I think alike.
 
Boris Badenov said:
You realize that makes you not only crazy, but a Cowboy. Rethink your thoughtcrime, prole! ;)
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I probably wouldn't even bitch at them, not like it would change what they would do anyway...

Now the Fork Tailed Doctor Killer that zipped past me about 50' above at 7,000 - I know you never saw me, would love to have torn you a new one. Cruising around at an IFR altitude not talking to anyone - it would be nice if your transponder wasn't off by 2,000'....
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

I think it all depends upon whether or not he was running oversquare...
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

I have been told by a few VFR pilots that I could not have been VFR while they were sitting on the ground... flight viability is only known from the cockpit and 1 mile clear of clouds is easy to do.
 
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Boris Badenov said:
You realize that makes you not only crazy, but a Cowboy. Rethink your thoughtcrime, prole! ;)
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Recently discovered picture of you both...
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Now the Fork Tailed Doctor Killer that zipped past me about 50' above at 7,000 - I know you never saw me, would love to have torn you a new one. Cruising around at an IFR altitude not talking to anyone - it would be nice if your transponder wasn't off by 2,000'....
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Oh, you mean you've seen that guy too? *reaches for torch and pitchfork* I agree. That is a lot more frightening, and it makes that person not a dummy but someone deliberately reckless.

I had a Cirrus come busting out at me in the LA Class B once...IFR altitude, not talking to anyone, well within the lateral confines, close enough to read the tail number. A few seconds after the traffic call, the guy called up to Approach. Needless to say phone numbers were exchanged...
 
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Monk said:
I have been told by a few VFR pilots that I could not have been VFR while they were sitting on the ground... flight viability is only known from the cockpit and 1 mile clear of clouds is easy to do.
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Kind of like pedestrians/onlookers in a neighborhood who always think loud cars are speeding, even though they are going under the limit.....perception...
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

drunkenbeagle said:
Depends, was it Golf or Echo?

I'll depart IMC from a Golf field if I can't reach approach on the ground, though cellphones make this kind of moot these days. It would be nice if there were a system to issue a clearance via cell txt...

VFR from echo is also kosher, but if it is close - I'll call and get a clearance anyway. Fine line between being abundantly cautious and shutting down the field when you don't need to.
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http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/3935.PDF
 
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Blackhawk said:
http://www.ntsb.gov/alj/alj/O_n_O/docs/aviation/3935.PDF
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Well there are some places where it would be impossible to have a clearance or radar service, etc in Golf airspace. My understanding is that your clearance isn't even a clearance until you enter controlled airspace. I can see getting caught with your pants down on the 700' to Echo stuff.... but some places in the Western US it may be more usual.
 
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ryan1234 said:
Well there are some places where it would be impossible to have a clearance or radar service, etc in Golf airspace. My understanding is that your clearance isn't even a clearance until you enter controlled airspace. I can see getting caught with your pants down on the 700' to Echo stuff.... but some places in the Western US it may be more usual.
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I agree. Doing it with a bunch of witnesses is also inadvisable, plus punching in "VFR" anyway when you've been denied an IFR clearance in front of those witnesses. The worst I had was taking off from the old Panama City airport early one low IFR morning before tower opened. Probably 1/2 mile with fog. As we taxied onto the runway after getting our clearance from center we heard a Lear announce that he was taking off oposite direction. FO and I looked at each other with the "Did we just hear that right?" look. Before I could key the mike the Lear flew over us in the opposite direction and checked in with center "VFR off of Panama City looking for IFR clearance."
 
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BobDDuck said:
Just for argument sake, it does happen and it does matter. I was going into an uncontrolled field on the ILS (was reported 200 1/2 on the ASOS) just at the final approach fix when a TCAS target popped up right in front of us coming off the field climbing. We had been making position reports on CTAF for the last 10 minutes and never heard this guy. I still had the Center freq on the second radio and heard him call center "just off airport XXX at 1000 feet looking for his IFR clearance to where ever".

Thankfully center got him radar contact quickly and turned him out of the way so we continued and landed about 2 minutes after he took off and the field was still 200 1/2. Sure, I SUPPOSE there could have been a hole that opened up for those two minutes and he climbed out in it, but it's not very likely.

Was it a huge safety issue? No, not really. With TCAS and EGPWS we can avoid most stuff out there and vector ourselves if we have to, but it's not very legal nor smart. We all are supposed to play by the rules and when somebody doesn't it makes life very difficult for those that do.
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Bob was he flying a PC-12 by any chance....?
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

Boris Badenov said:
I'd call the Feds and not rest until the rule-breaker was breaking rocks in the hot sun.

Not really.

I'd say something unpleasant to him on the radio and go about my merry way. Life's too short to worry about all the billions of people who might, through their blind stupidity, arrogance, or ignorance, make it even shorter.
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WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

ppragman said:
Were you in the airplane with him? Oh, no you were not? Then you don't know if he was VFR. What does the metar say about that airport at that time? Honestly, who cares?
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You know, this response comes up every time this topic comes up. And yeah, maybe we SHOULD give eachother the benefit of the doubt. But something (maybe it's the crowd of pilots I was around at my last job? Or maybe it's the accident reports I've read?) causes me to believe that it's pretty likely that a lot of these people ARE legitimately idiots who blast through the clouds sans IFR clearance with little to no regard for who else might be out there. I'm just not a particularly charitable soul when it comes to believing peoples' excuses for a third party pilot who is accused of actin' a fool.
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

My major concern about people doing this is that I don't subscribe to the "big sky little bullet" philosophy. Eventually one of these guys will hit an airliner with pax. Yeah, the airliners have TCAS, but it only works if the other airplane has a transponder. If/when this happens you can bet the turd will roll down hill and will land square on the lap of all GA operators in the form of greater restrictions and regulations. Kind of like Aeromexico 498.
 
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Blackhawk said:
My major concern about people doing this is that I don't subscribe to the "big sky little bullet" philosophy. Eventually one of these guys will hit an airliner with pax. Yeah, the airliners have TCAS, but it only works if the other airplane has a transponder. If/when this happens you can bet the turd will roll down hill and will land square on the lap of all GA operators in the form of greater restrictions and regulations. Kind of like Aeromexico 498.
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Agree 100%
 
Re: Some dummy taking off vfr and picking up an ifr. Only no

The ground crews running the runway & braking action numbers at the local Class E airport love this, I hear stories at least once a week through the Winter. I tell them the radio calls on the CTAF when entering the runway will protect them.
 
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