Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I wish this were the case.
The lateral move
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Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I was thinking about that the other day. Isn't it funny how the general population will have eleventy million guys from one airline...yet damn near nobody from others?
Colgan was a popular one here. But Mesa....*crickets*.
I NEVER actually see a Gojet pilot. In the flesh or online. They obviously exist, because I see their planes moving. But man they're good at hiding.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I get what he's saying though.
If you get 1000TPIC and get furloughed. Starting over at another regional isn't as stressful because you have all the significant boxes checked. But for someone who is a 6 year f/o, when their shop shuts down and they're starting over...it could very well be another 6+ years to even ATTEMPT to get TPIC.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
True.
I personally have the wierd situation where I have all the boxes checked except one. The easiest one to get(total time) Doh. I can't even go to career fairs for Spirit because they require 4000TT to participate.
Clearly TPIC isn't everything, but I get where you are coming from.
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HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
Lot of good advice here. Doug is right, networking, hard work, along with a good attitude are really what gets you ahead in not just this industry, but pretty much everywhere in life. Lazy people often call this "luck" bc they don't want to admit they're lazy.
As for leaving C5, I don't know I'd probably just wait get some PIC time. But there's also the musical chairs school of thought, basically work quickly and hard to get where you want to be and keep moving forward. Like if the industry slows down again like it did in 2008 (most regionals were this desperate prior) I'm guessing you'd rather be stuck at a better regional than C5? At the very least because of the pay... I wouldn't recommend RAH though, the situation is very fluid here and our pay isn't that much better than C5, at least our current contract. Xjet or AE have much stronger contracts, but circling back to the what you said I see you probably don't want to commute.
Meh, I'd just wait it out.
As for leaving C5, I don't know I'd probably just wait get some PIC time. But there's also the musical chairs school of thought, basically work quickly and hard to get where you want to be and keep moving forward. Like if the industry slows down again like it did in 2008 (most regionals were this desperate prior) I'm guessing you'd rather be stuck at a better regional than C5? At the very least because of the pay... I wouldn't recommend RAH though, the situation is very fluid here and our pay isn't that much better than C5, at least our current contract. Xjet or AE have much stronger contracts, but circling back to the what you said I see you probably don't want to commute.
Meh, I'd just wait it out.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
@TallFlyer is the only one I know of that's there. Well, I assume he is there since he hasn't posted in awhile.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I miss him
cmhumphr
Well-Known Member
I miss him
He is still at C5 as far as I know. Just did a 3 day trip with him 2 weeks ago.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
It's the only one that you can't get on your first day flying at a new company.
N519AT
Ahh! This is how I change this!
Another thing to consider is the current regional hiring situation. If you go somewhere that has 2000 total pilots, they're going to have to find 1000 pilots to come in behind you in order for you to upgrade. At C5 they only need to find about 110 pilots to come in behind you.
A new hire explained that for his reasoning in coming here, and I never thought of it that way. He had offers from every other regional out there but chose C5 because of that and our bases. Wise choice? Who knows. Check back in 5 years.
A new hire explained that for his reasoning in coming here, and I never thought of it that way. He had offers from every other regional out there but chose C5 because of that and our bases. Wise choice? Who knows. Check back in 5 years.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
It is also an accident of seniority. "You are a Captain because your seniority number is numerically lower than the next guy's..."
*shrugs*
Max Power
Well-Known Member
That's completely logical. If I can get to captain and begin working on the four year degree, even slowly, I'll be better shape. After seeing the light in terms of education and career, I decided I needed to be at my first airline by 30, I'll set my sights on major or national by 40.
Here's the part that a lot of people leave off when considering distance education.
Your best time to finish the degree was "yesterday" and as you move forward, the opportunity and availability gets harder.
As you increase in seniority in the FO seat, your schedule will get better and then you start 'tickling' captain seniority. Once you hit captain, you're probably going to be back on reserve and no longer have the reliable off-day patterns to complete your distance learning program.
The regional airline system, may or may not last another five years as we know it. It could go on indefinitely, but if you look at the last few years of what has been going on with that level, it's anyone's guess and you may find yourself back on the job market sooner than anticipated.
Please, I beg you, don't spend an inordinate amount of time planning on a long-term career at the regionals in order to have time to get all your ducks in a row. Get your ducks in a row NOW.
Your best time to finish the degree was "yesterday" and as you move forward, the opportunity and availability gets harder.
As you increase in seniority in the FO seat, your schedule will get better and then you start 'tickling' captain seniority. Once you hit captain, you're probably going to be back on reserve and no longer have the reliable off-day patterns to complete your distance learning program.
The regional airline system, may or may not last another five years as we know it. It could go on indefinitely, but if you look at the last few years of what has been going on with that level, it's anyone's guess and you may find yourself back on the job market sooner than anticipated.
Please, I beg you, don't spend an inordinate amount of time planning on a long-term career at the regionals in order to have time to get all your ducks in a row. Get your ducks in a row NOW.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
This.
I decided I'd start working and finish my degree "eventually." Eventually was 6 years to knock out the one class I had left.
Life gets busy.
pete2800
'Member?
You're 5 months in at a place with a 24-month upgrade? I'd stick it out if I were you.
Then again, I'm a 3rd year FO at a place with a 12-year upgrade.
Then again, I'm a 3rd year FO at a place with a 12-year upgrade.
I lol'd.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I tried that and it didn't work. Sat down in the left seat of a 777 and they said "umm...you don't work here."
Please advise on next step.
pete2800
'Member?
Next step? Call law enforcement because they're "interfering with a flight crew member."
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Jump the shark....I like it!
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Maybe, maybe not. C5 may be the next airline joining great lakes and silver in upgrade stagnation land.
This industry is jacked up. That is all I know for certain.
