You are correct... can't log SIC. You can log PIC as a safety pilot and that is how this program and most other pilot schools do time building.will_fly_for_bandwith said:Can you break it down further ?
75 Hours Multi-Engine Cross-Country..
All 75 as multi PIC? Dont you have a X-country partner, I dont think he can log as SIC as the aircraft flown dosen't require a type rating.
All Multi hours are PIC with the exception of your initial multi training... typically @ 6 hours. Every other training event and checkride in the seminole, once you have your multi... is PIC. PIC and Dual Received if an instructor is with you.will_fly_for_bandwith said:65 Hours Multi-Engine Instruction & Flight Checks
CFI, IR, Multi Checks are PIC if passed....
How is it logged during IR training in a multi.... PIC ? or Dual ?
Thanks !
Sorry, but it certainly can be logged SIC. The two pilots must decide, before the flight, which pilot is going to be PIC when the Pilot Flying is under the hood. The typical scenario, which you are talking about, is when the safety pilot agrees to be In Charge while the other pilot is under the hood, thus the safety pilot logs PIC. It is entirely possible, and completely legal, for them to decide (for whatever reason) that the pilot under the hood is going to remain In Charge, in which case the safety pilot can log SIC time. It's legit, too.Captain_Bob said:You are correct... can't log SIC. You can log PIC as a safety pilot and that is how this program and most other pilot schools do time building.
Hi Steve,SteveC said:Sorry, but it certainly can be logged SIC. The two pilots must decide, before the flight, which pilot is going to be PIC when the Pilot Flying is under the hood. The typical scenario, which you are talking about, is when the safety pilot agrees to be In Charge while the other pilot is under the hood, thus the safety pilot logs PIC. It is entirely possible, and completely legal, for them to decide (for whatever reason) that the pilot under the hood is going to remain In Charge, in which case the safety pilot can log SIC time. It's legit, too.
nkoenig said:So no matter what happens ie safety pilot etc, everything they have listed on there site is time that you will recieve correct?
SteveC said:It is entirely possible, and completely legal, for them to decide (for whatever reason) that the pilot under the hood is going to remain In Charge, in which case the safety pilot can log SIC time. It's legit, too.
Pointless? Not necessarily. I can think of a few occasions where it might be prudent for the flying pilot to remain PIC (operationally, not just for logging purposes). For example, the safety pilot has zero time in the model of plane being flown and really is along just as the set of eyes to watch out the window for traffic. I would not want someone unfamiliar with my airplane to be the one "In Charge" if bad things were to start happening. On the flip side, I would not want to be the safety pilot that was unfamiliar with a plane, then catch the blame when the Pilot Flying does something that bends metal.Tram said:Legal.. yehh....
1000% pointless.. no doubt...
Well.......Tram said:Yeh, I see what your saying.. In your example, it's not pointless at all..
However.. in the situation referenced above.. it's pointless for the guy playing safety pilot to log SIC, as he will be familiar with the aircraft...
SteveC said:Well.......
Might be tough to deny being PIC when the last six flights had been logged that way.
Just things to think about....
If he was under the hood when he did his stupid move, and you have agreed to be PIC.....then you have the responsibility. That's why it's called Pilot In Command. Yeah, it could be your ticket. Likely? No. Possible? Yes.Tram said:Ahh good point..
However, if he turned into the path of an oncomming 737 - would they blame you at all if you logged PIC while he was "under the hood?"
I guess what I'm asking is - does the action of being the "PIC safety pilot" make you liable for his silly actions?