Retired NWA pilot sums it up.

Socal321

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From another forum

Well , The good news is, Today I officially Retire from Northwest Airlines and I was hired last week for a Service Advisor job in the automotive division of Sears (which is the first real job I had while going to college and loved it and it's what I want to do in my old age)--pay is good and it includes full medical,dental,401k & profit sharing---should be more than enough even without the retirement money---may still consider the same line of work at a regular
dealership at some point, covering my six for now---- I'll be home every night---no more check rides--no FEDS or commuters on my jumpseat taking up my office space---no more 25% PENALTY for being
legitimately sick---no more scum bag hotels---no more old bitchy flight attendants---no more 14 hour duty days with 10 hour layovers---no more drafting my butt downline to fly the remains of somebody else's trip because they can't staff the airline
correctly---no more zero/zero approaches into blinding thunderstorms or blizzards--no more strip searches at the security checkpoints by high school drop-outs ( my I.D. means nothing )--no more subway sandwiches at the airport served by Somalis that can never get my order right. Can't sit down and have a hot meal between legs at a nice
restaurant cause there's not enough time---no more missed recitals, birthdays or holidays---no more 3:30 am (body clock) wakeup calls on the east coast--no more number 20 for take off behind 18 little
regional jets at LaGuardia---no more company bus rides from the employee lot in machines, where either the rear door doesn't work or the A.C. or heat is out of order---no more "fear and intimidation style management" to live under( the head honcho of the Sears store actually gave me the second and final intervie w ( not normal) " he actually wanted to meet me" and said I should consider a position in
management with my credentials and philosophies about how I believe people should be treated and that he was really happy to see someone like me consider a position with his company ..he told me I would be an asset to any organization, unlike my current employer, that has always "behind the scenes" regarded me and my peers as liabilities and
prima donnas..go figure ! I'm not unique. Most Pilots at this point still fit the same mold. Unfortunately that mold is slowly and methodically being reshaped by corporate robber barons into something they can shackle to a Yoke and, who they hope, will never question the methods to their madness.

The more I re-read this e-mail, the more I wonder why it has taken me so long to come to this decision to hang up flying---oh yeh, it's cause I couldn't touch my retirement money till now, penalty free....I'm finally ready for the simpler life with considerably less stress. It use to be that the Airline rewarded us for all these little inconviences we take for granted and the time we spend away from home
and family that was part of our daily lives in this profession. We made good money, had considerable time off and the benefits were to
brag about.That is no longer the case. My Plumber makes more a year now than I do. His labor rate alone is $95.00/hr when he set my kitchen sink last May and he's a high school drop out. His yearly
salary is based on a 160 hour work month (40 a week) --My $93.00/hr and annual salary is based on an 80 hour month (hard time in the air) which doesn't include all the on duty and time I am away from home.

I suspect the New Airline Pilot of the future will probably be one of those kids you remember in high school that got out of classes on a 2:30pm work permit to go learn a trade because they weren't particularly bright. Of course he'll have to be on some kind of Government program to pay for his training. There's no way he'll be able to come up with the
$100,000.00 in flight training costs to get his licences, and you'll never see another Military Pilot leave the armed forces for an Air Carrier position where it will take almost his entire career to reach
the salary he left behind at his Military job. I would not recommend this profession anymore to anyone I really cared about. My guess is the Airline industry will have to lower their Standards as well as
their requirements as the airplanes get more automated (the FAA will agree) if they're gonna get any applicants. Let the buyer beware when he takes his next airplane ride in the future. I have absolutely no regrets about getting out while the getting is good. I use to love my job and the adventure that every trip brought. It's just no fun going to work anymore. It's all about quality of life ---unfortunately, you don't figure that out till you're on the back side of the clock in most careers and in the Big Scheme of things, approaching your own ultimate demise.

Life is really too short to devote one extra minute of your time to a company as well as a profession that is not everything you had hoped for.. I'm baffled trying to think of another industry that has so
brutally passed on the increased costs of doing business to their employees rather than their customers. Even my garbage man is charging a surcharge for fuel to me rather than rape his employees.

I'm out - a - here.......

CS

ps: I will forward a short movie to some of you of my Northwest Uniform going up in smoke so no terrorist can ever use it. My Eastern Airlines uniform and my Navy uniform still hang proudly in my closet.....
 
I think this is a fake email that was written by a bitter person that has no concept of the world outside aviation.
 
His $93 per hour? If he retired at NW making only $93 per hour, something was wrong or he had not been around long. Its sad and unfortunate that he was so unhappy. While airline flying does present unique challenges, I can assure everyone that this gentleman does not speak for the majority of airline pilots; although, many ex-Eastern pilots share his bitterness of the industry. Truth is, his story is a bit melodramatic and lacking in some factuality. Perhaps I will go to Sears later and throw some business his way. :)
 
Flamebait. Absolute rubbish.
Why do you say that? Let's take a look at it.

I'll be home every night(Most 121 pilots are not home every night)---no more check rides--no FEDS(Does ASA not have check rides or Fed rides) or commuters on my jumpseat taking up my office space(Some guys don't like jumpseaters)---no more 25% PENALTY for being
legitimately sick---no more scum bag hotels(Does ASA only stay at 5 star hotels)---no more old bitchy flight attendants(I guess ASA doesn't have any older FA's)---no more 14 hour duty days with 10 hour layovers(You guys must have the best work rules)---no more drafting my butt downline to fly the remains of somebody else's trip because they can't staff the airline(I didn't know there was no JM at ASA)
correctly---no more zero/zero approaches into blinding thunderstorms or blizzards(Only good weather for ASA)--no more strip searches at the security checkpoints by high school drop-outs ( my I.D. means nothing )(I guess you guys don't have to deal with TSA anymore)--no more subway sandwiches at the airport served by Somalis that can never get my order right. Can't sit down and have a hot meal between legs at a nice
restaurant cause there's not enough time (I didn't know you guys got steak crew meals)---no more missed recitals, birthdays or holidays(That is cool that ASA will give you any day off that you need)---no more 3:30 am (body clock) wakeup calls on the east coast--no more number 20 for take off behind 18 little(Number 20 is a good day at LGA)
regional jets at LaGuardia---

There is a lot of truth in that post.
 
Can you guys tell me a job that will give you time off for every family-oriented event, holiday, etc.? A job that allows you to sit down and eat at a nice restaurant every day? A job that doesn't require you to stay and work some overtime? A job that doesn't have any checks and balances?

My Dad made good money working for the government, but he still missed some family events and holidays. Not always, but sometimes. Problem was he had to deal with a LOT of B.S. from his employer. Getting passed up for promotions because someone hired after him was a better ass kisser. Let's not even get to my Mom, who worked for 30 years as a Chicago Public School teacher.

There are days that this job really gets to me. Especially those days I'd rather be home enjoying the nice weather, taking my dog to the park, and sleeping in my own bed. It really sucks being away from home so much. However, when I really think about it, any job I have is going to have downsides. You know, the "grass is always greener..." Usually because your neighbor fertilizes with cow shat.
 
I would not dismiss this post as complete rubbish. A bit melodramatic perhaps, but I can relate to a lot of the things that he said. I wonder what other mainline Northwest pilots think about the profession.
 
Can you guys tell me a job that will give you time off for every family-oriented event, holiday, etc.? A job that allows you to sit down and eat at a nice restaurant every day? A job that doesn't require you to stay and work some overtime? A job that doesn't have any checks and balances?

My Dad made good money working for the government, but he still missed some family events and holidays. Not always, but sometimes. Problem was he had to deal with a LOT of B.S. from his employer. Getting passed up for promotions because someone hired after him was a better ass kisser. Let's not even get to my Mom, who worked for 30 years as a Chicago Public School teacher.

There are days that this job really gets to me. Especially those days I'd rather be home enjoying the nice weather, taking my dog to the park, and sleeping in my own bed. It really sucks being away from home so much. However, when I really think about it, any job I have is going to have downsides. You know, the "grass is always greener..." Usually because your neighbor fertilizes with cow shat.

No, I can't. You know why? There aren't any! There is BS to deal with in any job, and there will always be something to complain about, that makes some other job better. If that original email was real, and the person really felt that way, then why didn't they leave earlier, and go work at Sears. I'll never understand why people would stay, in any job, they hate that much, and can't do anything but complain about it. It doesn't make sense.
 
See ya! No fun flying with those kind of people anyway!

I don't believe he will be too happy where ever he goes. Although your career should and does have something to do with personal happiness, if you let it take over, then really, it's your own fault.

And to pilot4500, although my time here has been relatively limited, that kind of attitude is not the way most people I have met feel about work.
 
NEWS FLASH: There are bitter people in EVERY profession! Even porn. Go figure.

Whether or not the e-mail is real or not, I've got news for ya'll: Wherever you go professionally, the a-holes will follow you. They may look different, but they'll still be there.

There is no perfect job. Period.
 
But R2F, flying's the only job you've had! What do you know? :) :sarcasm:
 
You know it's interesting reading these responses here. On the other forum most were praising this guy and most of them had a lot of experience judging by what they put on their info. Makes you wonder. He is though a product of NWA which did have some major problems the last few years but some of the stuff he said can be applied to other airlines and the industry in general and that is definitely true.
 
It really depends on where you are on a seniority list. If you're at an airline that hasn't had any movement for several years, multiple years of reserve are gonna make you want to kick the cat whenever you get home. I'm coming up on a year of RSV, and of all the days I've asked off in the past year, I have gotten exactly ZERO of them off b/c of where I am on the seniority list. Kid's b-day? Had to work a deal to get that one. My b-day? Working. Random Sat in April? Working. John and Emily's wedding? Nope. Working. I was actually HAPPY to get JMed this month b/c that means I can play the "comp day" card so I can get the one day off in May I need. It's on a Sat, so the odds are slim PBS would give it to me. If you go throw 3-5 years of this, I don't see how you could stick around that long. I can see why this guy did. If he left earlier, it would have affected his retirement. If you've got a light at the end of the tunnel, it's easier to work through it.

I'll agree it's a little over the top and probably a huge touch on the negative side, but to blow the whole thing off as senseless whining is flat out ignoring reality just as much as the guy that wrote it.
 
You know it's interesting reading these responses here. On the other forum most were praising this guy and most of them had a lot of experience judging by what they put on their info. Makes you wonder.

I'm not surprised. Most of the pilots who post there like to wallow in their own self pity while online. I'm sure if you talked to most of them in person they'd have a different opinion. It's just a byproduct of anonymity.
 
From another forum

Well , The good news is, Today I officially Retire from Northwest Airlines and I was hired last week for a Service Advisor job in the automotive division of Sears (which is the first real job I had while going to college and loved it and it's what I want to do in my old age)--pay is good and it includes full medical,dental,401k & profit sharing---should be more than enough even without the retirement money---may still consider the same line of work at a regular
dealership at some point, covering my six for now---- I'll be home every night---no more check rides--no FEDS or commuters on my jumpseat taking up my office space---no more 25% PENALTY for being
legitimately sick---no more scum bag hotels---no more old bitchy flight attendants---no more 14 hour duty days with 10 hour layovers---no more drafting my butt downline to fly the remains of somebody else's trip because they can't staff the airline
correctly---no more zero/zero approaches into blinding thunderstorms or blizzards--no more strip searches at the security checkpoints by high school drop-outs ( my I.D. means nothing )--no more subway sandwiches at the airport served by Somalis that can never get my order right. Can't sit down and have a hot meal between legs at a nice
restaurant cause there's not enough time---no more missed recitals, birthdays or holidays---no more 3:30 am (body clock) wakeup calls on the east coast--no more number 20 for take off behind 18 little
regional jets at LaGuardia---no more company bus rides from the employee lot in machines, where either the rear door doesn't work or the A.C. or heat is out of order---no more "fear and intimidation style management" to live under( the head honcho of the Sears store actually gave me the second and final intervie w ( not normal) " he actually wanted to meet me" and said I should consider a position in
management with my credentials and philosophies about how I believe people should be treated and that he was really happy to see someone like me consider a position with his company ..he told me I would be an asset to any organization, unlike my current employer, that has always "behind the scenes" regarded me and my peers as liabilities and
prima donnas..go figure ! I'm not unique. Most Pilots at this point still fit the same mold. Unfortunately that mold is slowly and methodically being reshaped by corporate robber barons into something they can shackle to a Yoke and, who they hope, will never question the methods to their madness.

The more I re-read this e-mail, the more I wonder why it has taken me so long to come to this decision to hang up flying---oh yeh, it's cause I couldn't touch my retirement money till now, penalty free....I'm finally ready for the simpler life with considerably less stress. It use to be that the Airline rewarded us for all these little inconviences we take for granted and the time we spend away from home
and family that was part of our daily lives in this profession. We made good money, had considerable time off and the benefits were to
brag about.That is no longer the case. My Plumber makes more a year now than I do. His labor rate alone is $95.00/hr when he set my kitchen sink last May and he's a high school drop out. His yearly
salary is based on a 160 hour work month (40 a week) --My $93.00/hr and annual salary is based on an 80 hour month (hard time in the air) which doesn't include all the on duty and time I am away from home.

I suspect the New Airline Pilot of the future will probably be one of those kids you remember in high school that got out of classes on a 2:30pm work permit to go learn a trade because they weren't particularly bright. Of course he'll have to be on some kind of Government program to pay for his training. There's no way he'll be able to come up with the
$100,000.00 in flight training costs to get his licences, and you'll never see another Military Pilot leave the armed forces for an Air Carrier position where it will take almost his entire career to reach
the salary he left behind at his Military job. I would not recommend this profession anymore to anyone I really cared about. My guess is the Airline industry will have to lower their Standards as well as
their requirements as the airplanes get more automated (the FAA will agree) if they're gonna get any applicants. Let the buyer beware when he takes his next airplane ride in the future. I have absolutely no regrets about getting out while the getting is good. I use to love my job and the adventure that every trip brought. It's just no fun going to work anymore. It's all about quality of life ---unfortunately, you don't figure that out till you're on the back side of the clock in most careers and in the Big Scheme of things, approaching your own ultimate demise.

Life is really too short to devote one extra minute of your time to a company as well as a profession that is not everything you had hoped for.. I'm baffled trying to think of another industry that has so
brutally passed on the increased costs of doing business to their employees rather than their customers. Even my garbage man is charging a surcharge for fuel to me rather than rape his employees.

I'm out - a - here.......

CS

ps: I will forward a short movie to some of you of my Northwest Uniform going up in smoke so no terrorist can ever use it. My Eastern Airlines uniform and my Navy uniform still hang proudly in my closet.....

I'm 98% sure I met this NWA pilot in Tokyo... Sound's just like him.
 
Makes no difference if this posting is legit. There are unhappy pilots at every airline...and likely other av ops also. It's hardly news...it's an old subject.
 
I have been seriously considering getting out of flying when the loans are paid off but....

One thing I love about flying- WHEN I LEAVE, MY WORK STAYS IN THE AIRPLANE.
 
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