Peering Over the Edge

CirrusMonkey

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I am a 37 year old regional FO looking to get out. I am looking in to moving back home to the Seattle(ish) area and was wondering if anyone of you have done the same? What did you end up doing? I am looking in to a trade such as carpentry or plumbing. Any suggestions?
 
Do you have any previous experience in said trades? What would be your long term goals for this?
 
A little with carpentry and the occasional "gawd damn water hater" bang bang bang!

I am looking to make a career out of one, or something similar. I cannot be this far across the country with 3 young children at home waiting for me anymore.

As a start (if anyone else is reading this and thinking the same), I contacted the United Association Local 26 in Washington State and spoke to someone in the training department. She said that there is no minimum experience requirement, but there is a minimum intelligence level. I did not tell her what I do for a living so I should be ok. For now.
 
Thinking more long term, you may want to go for something that's not so hard on your body. I was a carpenter for quite a while and I have the bad knees/shoulders/etc. to show for it. Have you considered joining the operators? Pay is typically better, and they offer training as well. Plus, who doesn't love the smell of diesel in the morning? Washington is the IUOE 302.
 
Thinking more long term, you may want to go for something that's not so hard on your body. I was a carpenter for quite a while and I have the bad knees/shoulders/etc. to show for it. Have you considered joining the operators? Pay is typically better, and they offer training as well. Plus, who doesn't love the smell of diesel in the morning? Washington is the IUOE 302.
Great info! Never thought about that. Looks like the Seattle area is IUOE 612 http://www.iuoelocal612.org/index.html if anyone else is interested.

Now I just have to get over my fear of heights....








Do I need to put a sarcasm tag here?
 
What's the male escort/male stripper trade like out there in SEA ? You've already got a good supply of uniforms for costumes.
 
Great info! Never thought about that. Looks like the Seattle area is IUOE 612 http://www.iuoelocal612.org/index.html if anyone else is interested.

Now I just have to get over my fear of heights....








Do I need to put a sarcasm tag here?
Not being afraid of flying has nothing to do with a fear of heights. Heck I know a bunch of skydivers that are deathly afraid of standing on top of a hangar 20ft off the ground.
 
I know this thread is a little bit old, but I thought I throw in my $0.02 since I'm a 20 year carpenter looking to get out of the trades and into flying. I wouldn't do it if I were you unless you are passionate about working with your hands and don't care about how much money you make.

since I'm at work, I won't go into detail now, but I will post more tonight when I get home.
 
I know this thread is a little bit old, but I thought I throw in my $0.02 since I'm a 20 year carpenter looking to get out of the trades and into flying. I wouldn't do it if I were you unless you are passionate about working with your hands and don't care about how much money you make.

since I'm at work, I won't go into detail now, but I will post more tonight when I get home.
Interesting. I can probably echo what you would tell me.
 
My apologies, I got sidetracked and forgot I posted this.

Like I said, I've been in the trades for almost 20 years. I have experience in a number of different trades, but finish carpentry is the one that stuck. I mostly do cabinets and trim these days.

The pay is terrible unless you own your own business. Like I said, 20 years in, I'm pretty good at what I do and I only bring home $550 a week. Top pay working for pretty much any contractor is usually around $25 an hour. You usually work long hours in rough conditions, often have to work weekends, will most likely never have health insurance through your employer or paid vacations. Time off is usually frowned upon as are sick days. Actually, you don't call in sick unless you are in the hospital or incapacitated in some form.

It's also very much a "pay your dues" kind of job. Unless you have at least a couple years of steady experience, you will be operating a broom and/or a shovel for $10/hr.

The only way to really make any money is to have your own business and be in a specialized niche. I had my own business for 8 years just doing cabinets and I made good money a few of those years, but I usually made about $35k a year net. And I had to work very hard to make that.

Another thing to consider is the people you will be working with. The people construction attracts are usually "different". It's not as bad as it used to be, but most jobs still do not require a drug test or a background test. So there are a lot of people in construction that are there because they can't get a job anywhere else. Lots of very rough, abrasive personalities. And contractors themselves are, more often than not, "type a" egomaniacs. Definitely not an occupation for thin skinned people.

That's all I can come up with for now. Feel free to ask me any questions you have. And I'll post more if I think of something I forgot.
 
By the way, I just wanted to mention that I hate to sound like a negative nancy. Construction isn't all bad, it has its upsides, but it's definitely not for everyone.

I definitely could make more money than I do with my skill set. I just happend to find a contractor that lets me do things the way I want. I come and go as I please, I make my own schedule and he even lets me do my own jobs on regular working days. We get along really well and have the same work/business ethic. I could make about $10k more a year working for someone else, but quality of life is definitely way more important to me at this point than just pure money.
 
CirrusMonkey said:
Not exactly the bus I wanted to command but the bennifits and pay are stellar! I have an interview with King County Transit as a bus driver. Starting pay is $21.15, weekdays only and all federal holidays off. Wish me luck!

Good Luck!!!
 
Thanks for interjecting some reality here Timmy Tucker. My dad owned a carpet installation business, and a friend is a contractor. Those that think such trades are a quick path to riches are very naive. Like you said, it is extremely hard on your body, and jumping into such a business when you're 37 will not end up well.

My dad eventually hurt one of his knees so bad he had to completely change careers and went back to school. He became a software engineer.

CM: Quitting aviation to drive a bus for $21/hr? That sure seems like a waste. I know I would probably want to kill myself within a year. Is going back to school an option? A nursing or engineering degree would be an excellent career choice.
 
Thanks for interjecting some reality here Timmy Tucker. My dad owned a carpet installation business, and a friend is a contractor. Those that think such trades are a quick path to riches are very naive. Like you said, it is extremely hard on your body, and jumping into such a business when you're 37 will not end up well.

My dad eventually hurt one of his knees so bad he had to completely change careers and went back to school. He became a software engineer.

CM: Quitting aviation to drive a bus for $21/hr? That sure seems like a waste. I know I would probably want to kill myself within a year. Is going back to school an option? A nursing or engineering degree would be an excellent career choice.

Yes. I am quitting aviation to make $21 an hour as a bus driver while going to school and being more of a father to my 3 young children.

Plus

Taking a paycut to fly bigger airplanes for a company that is making record profits is more of a waste.

By the way, who said anything about learning a trade and getting "rich"??
 
I didn't see the part where you said you're going to school. Solid decision! The bus driver gig will definitely work with a school schedule better than working at a job site.
 
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