Delta Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements

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Delta Eyes Major Widebody RFP For 747/767 Replacements
Aviation Daily
Mar 12, 2014 , p. 1.01
Jens Flottau


Delta Air Lines plans to issue a request for proposals (RFP) for new
longhaul aircraft that will replace all of the airline’s Boeing 747-400s
and a significant part of the 767-300ER fleets.

The RFP will go out before the end of the month and Delta could decide
before the end of the year. Amongst other types, the airline is showing
a strong interest in the proposed Airbus A330NEO.

“I hope they (Airbus) do offer an A330NEO,” Delta CEO Richard Anderson
told Aviation Week in Atlanta. “There is a huge need for a small
widebody. We really need Airbus to step up and re-engine.”

Anderson is pushing for a new 275-seat aircraft that would have a range
of 5,000-5,500 naut. mi. He argues that “aircraft that underfly their
range are uneconomical. You cannot make a 777 consistently profitable
flying only East Coast to Europe. That would be routes 1,000 or 2,000
naut. mi. shorter than what it was designed for.”

Delta currently has 16 Boeing 747-400s in the fleet, the oldest of which
have been delivered in 1989 (to what was then Northwest). The airline is
looking at replacing them before the next D-checks are due towards the
end of this decade.

Delta also wants to start the replacement cycle for its 58 767-300ERs,
although for this type deliveries span over a longer period from 1990 to
2001. Combining the 747 replacement and a large part of the 767-300ER
fleet leads to a requirement of an estimated 50 widebodies.

The carrier plans to look at four options: The Airbus A350-900 and
-1000, all three models of the Boeing 787, the current versions of the
A330 and a re-engined A330.

Delta is not looking at the 777X. “We don’t want experimental
airplanes,” says Anderson. “We are not interested in it.”

Delta has a history of caution when it comes to new aircraft types and
its fleet strategy differs compared to many other carriers in that it
tends to keep aircraft longer. In spite of the traditional caution,
Anderson believes Delta now has “good visibility” about the A350 and
787, enough to make a decision at this stage. “Both are pretty well down
the road now,” Anderson says and points out that Delta can draw upon
operational experience by its partner carriers Aeromexico and Virgin
Atlantic on the 787 side.

The company has ordered ten A330-300s in the increased 242 tons MTOW
version which are to be delivered from mid-2015. It also operates 21
lower MTOW A330-300s and eleven A330-200s. Anderson argues that a
reengined A330 would find high demand for use on transatlantic routes,
intra-Asia and even some West Coast to Asia flying.

Airbus has entered talks with General Electric, Rolls-Royce and Pratt &
Whitney about a re-engining of the A330, but has not yet made a
decision. The backlog currently stands at 258 aircaft taking production
into 2016 at the current rate of ten aircraft per month. The program
could, however, receive a significant boost through a major order for
potentially more than 100 aircraft from various Chinese airlines. It is
unclear whether the Chinese order would include commitments for the
re-engined aircraft. “Boeing made a mistake in not coming up with an
answer for the 767 and 757 market,” he says. While the A330 and 787 are
candidates for part of the 767 missions, “there is no obvious
replacement for the 757.” Delta plans to reduce the 757 fleet to around
90 aircraft by 2018.

Another gap Delta would like to fill is a good 115-120-seat aircraft,
slightly larger than the Boeing 717s that is currently taking over from
AirTran. “The 737-700 is not economical and the -800 is too large,”
Anderson says. One option could be the Bombardier C-Series and Delta has
looked at the geared turbofan (GTF) engine in particular. “Our engineers
have a lot of confidence in that gearbox,” Anderson says. “But we want
to see the aircraft in the marketplace” before placing an order.
 
I have a feeling the 777x would be a slightly better start up program than the A350
That would make sense since the 777 is redesign of an existing airplane and the A350 is a clean sheet design. That being said, the A350 seems to be progressing along quite nicely.
 
Everyday here at MZJ, I look across the runway at Delta's 767-200s and non-ERs, as well as a good chunk of 757s and DC-9s sitting in the desert sans engines; some of which are being towed back this way to the scrapping area and being taken apart as we speak.
 
Strange that they're willing to look at the A350 but not the 777X because its "experimental." Yeah the 350 is flying, but not for particularly long.

The 777X was basically designed for Emirates, which was longing for a high capacity ultra long range jet. It has way too much range for Delta's needs. It's also experimental in the fact that the wingspan is so long the wing tips will have to be folded in mechanically before parking.
 
You mean that endomorphic pilot with the straight-armed milspec sunglasses sitting in the corner of the pilot lounge that hasn't been on a boat in 30 years? :)

Oh yeah!

Only in ATL though, right? Not at the other bases? :)
 
The 777X was basically designed for Emirates, which was longing for a high capacity ultra long range jet. It has way too much range for Delta's needs. It's also experimental in the fact that the wingspan is so long the wing tips will have to be folded in mechanically before parking.
Exactly. It's too much plane for Delta. Even the A350 is too much plane if they want a true small wide body replacement. Although, the A350 or 777-300ER is a great 747 replacement.
 
In other news, Boeing rolls out plans for the new 737-6000ERETOPS as a superefficient replacement for the 757, 767, 747 and DC8. A prototype is scheduled to take to the skies by 2054 using natural gas and pressurized vodka as its main fuel source.



BTW, this Sixpoint Hires is an excellent brew!
 
“Boeing made a mistake in not coming up with an
answer for the 767 and 757 market,” he says. While the A330 and 787 are
candidates for part of the 767 missions, “there is no obvious
replacement for the 757.” Delta plans to reduce the 757 fleet to around
90 aircraft by 2018.

Okay, I'm done!

@Minuteman
 
Okay, I'm done!

@Minuteman

Yeah, but he also said the 737-700 was inefficient, 737-800 was too big (for routes that benefit from the 717). It must be great to be an airline CEO. You get to be a dick to everyone until you get forced into leaving.

Anyway, you heard it here first: Blue Horseshoe likes the Comac C919 and its little brother ARJ21. ;)

640px-COMAC_ARJ21_Gu.jpg
 
This was more than a school house rumor Seggy!;) IMHO I see a fleet of A350, A330NEO, a few 787(if the bugs ever get worked out) and the C-Series. Southerjets is looking to spur Boeing and/or Airbus to come up with an aircraft to fill the shoes of the 757.
 
This was more than a school house rumor Seggy!;) IMHO I see a fleet of A350, A330NEO, a few 787(if the bugs ever get worked out) and the C-Series. Southerjets is looking to spur Boeing and/or Airbus to come up with an aircraft to fill the shoes of the 757.

C-series cannot successfully do the mission of the 757! The C-series is far more considered competition for the 737, A320's and ERJ-145's.
 
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