Sucky Eagle news update for the week
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RPM
Well-Known Member
We could wish that was the case but they haven't budged on ANYTHING in AA's previously released term sheet which is similar to ours (slightly worse actually) and are supposedly taking it to court next week. They aren't negotiating in good faith. They are just saying these are the cost targets needed to survive, non negotiable. I expect the exact same treatment for us from these snakes.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Screw that. If this was a career job for a company that cared for you, maybe it would be worth taking cuts so that it may survive and return to former glory. But now they are just taking advantage of you. Take it to the judge, best of luck guys.
RPM
Well-Known Member
Exactly. "IF" there was a PLAN for AMR to actually do a drastic overhaul of the business model: Drastically improve customer service, complete revamp to improve management/employee relations (probably 1 billion in savings right there), look for ways to do things better (not only cheaper) but BETTER than everyone else etc.. If they did that then maybe this wouldn't be so hard to swallow, we would have some hope.. but there is NO plan. No change.. The ONLY plan is to make everything cheaper and continue with EXACTLY the same failing strategy.
Their plan for profits isn't fixing a failing Business model, it's a plan to profit (short term) by screwing creditors over and stealing/skimming money from the employee's.. yeah, that might work for a couple years.. until it doesn't again. Then what.. they will want more? All this plan is going to do is backfire. 80,000 pissed off employee's can be a POWERFUL revenue sapping force of inefficient/wasteful/poor customer service.. Somehow, beyond my comprehension, they all completely missed that extremely critical lesson in business school and don't understand that concept AT ALL. They have no ability to see beyond quick short term gains and bonus grabs (which are extremely harmful in the long run). Or maybe they do know exactly what they are doing and they just DGAF.. e.g., Freddie Mac, Fannie May, AIG, Investment banks.. (EDIT): funny, as I finished writing this, it just finally clicked in my head. They do probably understand completely but they are instead just doing exactly what the others I mentioned did in essence (because it works). They really DGAF about anything other than short term money grabs at the expense of long term health. Sickening and immoral.. Should be illegal.
If I was the judge I would tell those idiots they have 2 options. Make a complete 180 on their epic failure of a business model which is destined to fail again OR liquidate and pay off the creditors, because these BS immoral schemes aren't gonna fly with me.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Wow I don't know what to say, those are ridiculous demands from where the rest of the industry is at. If implemented I wouldn't know what to say - I have to say at this point I dodged a bullet coming to my present company, so far at least the contract means we are "fairly" paid IMO. But 20% less? New upgrading CA's making $50,000 a year? WTF?
Although here's the deal, until planes start going down the pay will continue to go down. If someone making $25k a year as an FO and $50k a year as a CA can do the job well that is what it pays, just completely blows my mind that I am worth that (or less). Really, blows my mind. Also saddening.
Although here's the deal, until planes start going down the pay will continue to go down. If someone making $25k a year as an FO and $50k a year as a CA can do the job well that is what it pays, just completely blows my mind that I am worth that (or less). Really, blows my mind. Also saddening.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I don't think any bankruptcy judge would impose something this draconian. Management can't claim that they need these terms to be able to compete, because no other regional is this pathetic in either pay or work rules. It's a massive overreach. I'd take it to the bankruptcy judge before accepting anything close to this nonsense.
Good luck, guys.
Good luck, guys.
Jafari RastaMan
Well-Known Member
Will this affect the flow through?
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Well this all friggin sucks. 
Good luck to all you Eagle guys.
Good luck to all you Eagle guys.
AA has had co-domiciles for decades. When I was based in "LGA", I worked trips out of JFK, LGA and EWR. That's just the way it was and we dealt with it. There was also FLL/MIA and SFO/SJC. With very few exceptions, your trip ended at the same airport it started at, so if you drove at least you'd end up at the same airport to get your car. Commuting was simple, get to whatever airport you could and take public transportation or a cab to where you needed to be. There are plenty of cabs & van/car services that go between LGA & JFK, and there was a bus/shuttle that went from LGA out to EWR.
How can they close the Rock?! Giving up the market on the island hopping down there, eh? Geez, that's awful...
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
Good luck to you guys.... That blows
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
I agree. Take it to the courts and let a judge mediate. Those cuts are beyond what is reasonable.
WacoFan
Bigly
Who'd have thought that Great Lake's and other bottom-feeders would actually look like a very wise more over Eagle? AMR/AA is a hateful and evil company. As much as I hate AMR and APA members (for what they did to TWA) - I mostly despise management for taking huge bonuses while cutting EE's pay (voluntarily given, BTW) and charging me huge fees for various things. I always looked at AA pilots as truly pathetic in may ways - they absolutely put the screws to TWA...but they've been so totally ass-raped by management that while I can't have complete sympathy, I see them just in a pathetic light. Now...for Eagle - ALPA guys and such - I'm sorry. All I can say is that you bet your career with Eagle in hopes of climbing to AA - and that even if your dream would have happened...you still would have worked for AMR/AA - which sucks. So, for those that can or desire to tough it out - at least with BK AMR will end up being changed - and it could only change for the better because it was a mismanaged POS to begin with.
Sorry about all this stuff guys. BK judge would do better for you. A wildcat strike or simply walking off the job and going to McDonald's would do better for you. STFD - and that is from me - a pure management type who thinks of EE's like motor-oil.
Sorry about all this stuff guys. BK judge would do better for you. A wildcat strike or simply walking off the job and going to McDonald's would do better for you. STFD - and that is from me - a pure management type who thinks of EE's like motor-oil.
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
Karma can be a mean thing sometimes, this will all probably be applauded by Wallstreet and improve the stock prices... but a couple years from now (if AE still exists) when they can't hire pilots with 300 hours any more there going to have a heck of a time finding people wanting to fly for them with a track record of doing stuff like this. Especially if they're competing with other regionals for pilots. Time will tell I guess.
SeanD
Well-Known Member
Not that this will help, but it cant hurt for those new to Eagle. Here is a list of some places currently hiring.
ASA/Express Jet - http://www.expressjet.com/careers/pilots/
SkyWest - http://www.skywest.com/careers/skywest-airlines-jobs.php
Spirit - http://spiritair.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=2148818&user_id=
Air Wisconsin - http://www.airwis.com/car_pilots.htm
PSA - http://www.psaairlines.net/employment/pilot.asp
Avantair - http://www.avantair.com/careers-with-avantair.html
XOJet - http://www.xojet.com/our-company/careers/
ASA/Express Jet - http://www.expressjet.com/careers/pilots/
SkyWest - http://www.skywest.com/careers/skywest-airlines-jobs.php
Spirit - http://spiritair.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=2148818&user_id=
Air Wisconsin - http://www.airwis.com/car_pilots.htm
PSA - http://www.psaairlines.net/employment/pilot.asp
Avantair - http://www.avantair.com/careers-with-avantair.html
XOJet - http://www.xojet.com/our-company/careers/
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
We ain't beat yet.
As far as things go, this is just a shot across the bow to try and rattle us. They know that a profitable company is going to have a hard time getting the judge to agree to imposing terms that harsh. As they say in business, "Never accept their first offer."
This won't stick. Word on the street is that AA tried to take it to the judge and the judge said 'No- go talk to your people'. I get the feeling that the climate of the world has shifted ever so slightly, and it won't be quite so easily AMR to bend us over the barrel this time.
As far as things go, this is just a shot across the bow to try and rattle us. They know that a profitable company is going to have a hard time getting the judge to agree to imposing terms that harsh. As they say in business, "Never accept their first offer."
This won't stick. Word on the street is that AA tried to take it to the judge and the judge said 'No- go talk to your people'. I get the feeling that the climate of the world has shifted ever so slightly, and it won't be quite so easily AMR to bend us over the barrel this time.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Yep, the first offer from the company is always a joke. The union does the same type of initial posturing, just in the other direction. I'm sure it'll come together somewhere in the middle.
Best of luck to all of you anyway.
