It’s tough for me to have sympathy when they took the job, signed the contract, did the job till ATP mins, and then suddenly had issues with the job that made them need out of the contract. Will I ever ask anyone to sign a training contract or sign one myself? Not a chance. But if you signed it don’t be shocked when it’s enforced.
I didn’t really know Southern Airways was still a thing
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Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
Umm. Are you familiar with government procurement?
Provincetown, MA has one too. And the blueberries WILL come yell at you if you cross the red "security zone" line painted on the ramp.
I remember he had that M109 self propelled arty piece painted like a patrol vehicle that sat as a display in front of MCSO HQ during his time, and a couple of APCs for the regional SWAT team. As well as a number of surplus Army helicopters at the boat patrol office there at FFZ that MCSO was able to build up one helicopter out of. All of those are gone now when the new Sheriff took over, who is now himself not running again.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
You guys are nuts. I cant believe you all flew for that, or less. I mean i can, because it happened. And every time i sit down with a CA who was getting paid barista wages for their first 15-20 years of flying, makes me feel a little less bad about the age 67 thing. They (and you) truly never had what we have now. Not even close. If i dont get furloughed, croak, or medically retire, I’ll have the ability to have 26 years all >100/hr, and all but two of those, >200/hr. Which doesn’t even include what i made in the military before, when these low pay antics were playing out. I feel like this narrative, to include those who lost their pensions or had them significantly reduced during time of service, is the white elephant that nobody wants to talk about because “get out boomer, i want my QOL” (which also isn’t wrong, it just doesn’t really equate to reality in a seniority based system of life, where you aren’t yet the senior guy).
<commence flaming me, I really am not emotionally invested in this
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
The problem with these contracts is that there must be an expectation that the airline operates in good faith. We’ll see how this round goes but often these contracts end up getting ruled as unenforceable simply because the pilot has enough evidence to show that good faith isn’t being met.
'Cause giving one thousand hourly worker-folks a spoon creates jobs, while giving one qual'd operator a backhoe creates an efficient outcome. That... and a heapin' helping of never-ending FEAR!!! ALWAYS, be very afraid! Did you miss that memo back in the aughts? Iffin' you see sumpin', well, dadblammit, SAY sumpin'! Don't get left off the whistle-blower list, my man. Being a whistle-blower is a sure route to success and OUR version of 70 virgins.
Southern Airways Express opens a new training facility in DuBois
JEFFERSON COUNTY, Pa. (WTAJ) — A new training facility beside the DuBois Regional Airport is now training pilots through Southern Airways Express. Based in Palm Beach, Florida, Southern…www.wtaj.com
Also, the DuBois Regional Airport averages 20 passengers per day; why the flippo do they have a millimeter-wave body scanner!?
Paint is the new "moncoque composite airframe". Someone pulled an STC.
JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
Double down in an even worse way. Classy.I go get blind drunk at frat parties all the time. Don't blame me, fergodssake!
Go get some prescription glassies to see what's classy.
I don’t know, don’t sign a contract?
I know if I hired a pilot for a 24 month term, paid for training and had him sign a training contract where he split a few months later, I’d expect some pro-rata loot back.
Airlines are going to pressure you to fly as well, that’s where you put your captains hat on and say “no” and let the chips fall where they may.
I know if I hired a pilot for a 24 month term, paid for training and had him sign a training contract where he split a few months later, I’d expect some pro-rata loot back.
Airlines are going to pressure you to fly as well, that’s where you put your captains hat on and say “no” and let the chips fall where they may.
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
Too bad there isn’t a group of professional pilots who band together to help advocate for and defend fellow pilots.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
That doesn’t sound very free market
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
The market is free to value an association’s or group’s labor more or less if those participants see fit.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I dunno, sounds pretty socialist to me.
On the flip side, pilots with ATP minimums are now far more valuable than before and pilots without ATP minimums are far less valuable than before. So a contract with stiff penalties is about the only way an employer unwilling to pay pilots what they’re worth after reaching ATP minimums can retain pilots. So that part is pure capitalism.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Absolutely a fantastic human being.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
You know, I didn't really want to go the CFI road either, but the alternatives were very, very sparse. Only the people who were really juiced in got the non-CFI jobs back in the day. I think everyone simply wanted to get their CSMEL and hop in a 402 or Navajo and get on with business. Let's face it, getting the CFI, at least since 1988, is one gigantic PITA. But once you get past that, it's not really that a bad gig unless you simply can't stand people and have zero interpersonal skills. And that is a really, really high bar to hurdle since even I can do it, considering that my GF once said that I should really not interact with people.
I think the CFI is on the same level as getting the 4 year degree...just a PITA of a different sort. But unlike the 4-year, which was pretty clear for a long time that you didn't get hired without it, there is just enough wiggle room and just enough outliers who made it to encourage the people who didn't want to buckle under and just get it done. But like most "outlier success stories", most people forget to read the details. That dude that was pushing a broom in the hangar one week, and flying a Citation the next, well, turns out his old man runs the bank that financed the jet.
The CFI takes a lot of study and fussy, nit-noid memorization, a lot of writing & self expression, which to be frank, not a lot of us are all that great at, and learning to really fly the maneuvers we barely slopped through to get our CSEL.
I get why some don't want to go that road, but by that same token, you pay your dollar and you takes your choice.
