First officer training program?

A-300F4-622R said:
You are correct. However, unless you are talking about OE, they are not really giving "instruction".
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I'm not trying to argue with you because I'm not at a major, but I have to believe that the guy with more experience in the left seat is mentoring at some level, whether he acknowledges it or not. It's usually not even flying the airplane, it could easily be something as simple as attitude and tone. If the captain has ultimate responsibility for all aspects of the flight, then an FO has to look to his actions as an example of what to do (or not to do) whenever he upgrades.

Inverted said:
Screw all of you. I will do all your jobs for half of what they pay you now.
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I'll jump from a balloon in the mesosphere for free!
 
Cal Goat said:
I'm not trying to argue with you because I'm not at a major, but I have to believe that the guy with more experience in the left seat is mentoring at some level, whether he acknowledges it or not. It's usually not even flying the airplane, it could easily be something as simple as attitude and tone. If the captain has ultimate responsibility for all aspects of the flight, then an FO has to look to his actions as an example of what to do (or not to do) whenever he upgrades.



I'll jump from a balloon in the mesosphere for free!
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You are correct.
 
Personally I don't think the OP Treblesum81 is willing to listen to the options besides CFI that have been proposed - survey aircraft, bush flying jobs, banner towing or whatnot. All of these jobs (skydiving pilot) should supply at a minimum 500 to 1000 hours per year increasing total time.

But all the OP wants to learn is how to make those numbers increase instantly. So here's your solution:

Since you don't want to listen to all the experience here, just pencil whip your logbook total time.

I think you're going to have a long tough career no matter what you do.

At your age, while you might be excited about this career, I think you have a lot of maturing to do first - notably listening to others, learning to work with others, patience, communication and other important characteristics any successful person needs.

Good luck to ya.
 
Inverted said:
Screw all of you. I will do all your jobs for half of what they pay you now.
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Really!?!?! Awesome! You are hired - your show is in a couple of hours. Brutal red-eyes for the rest of the month with all of our 5%'ers. I'm going home to my hammock and a permanent frosty beverage. I'll forward my calls and send you half the check every payday. :)
 
moxiepilot said:
Personally I don't think the OP Treblesum81 is willing to listen to the options besides CFI that have been proposed - survey aircraft, bush flying jobs, banner towing or whatnot. All of these jobs (skydiving pilot) should supply at a minimum 500 to 1000 hours per year increasing total time.

But all the OP wants to learn is how to make those numbers increase instantly. So here's your solution:

Since you don't want to listen to all the experience here, just pencil whip your logbook total time.

I think you're going to have a long tough career no matter what you do.

At your age, while you might be excited about this career, I think you have a lot of maturing to do first - notably listening to others, learning to work with others, patience, communication and other important characteristics any successful person needs.

Good luck to ya.
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But what he isn't getting is that even these jobs which were once considered "wet commercial" jobs no longer even look at guys with less than 500TT. Usually 700TT to 1,000TT is the norm for aerial survey, diver-driving, banner-towing, etc. Believe me, I called and emailed literally a couple hundred commercial ops when I first finished up my commercial rating and that afforded me 1 interview. Just 1. And that was a job that was whittled down from 300 applicants, to 50 phone interviews, and finally to about 20 in-person interviews. Pretty slim pickins. But guess what? Some of these jobs do have reduced minimums if you have a CFI. Usually 350 to 500TT. We aren't telling you to not buy 250 Turbine hours for our health. Bottom line. It is generally frowned upon and won't really do you any service in interviews and it still won't really get you the total time you need to be a competitive candidate for low-time commercial jobs that are available. But hey, the dozen or so of us that have been telling you that you should get your CFI obviously don't know what we're talking about. It didn't used to be the only way to build time. But take it from me, a "wet commercial" guy himself... It is pretty much the only real way to build time these days. All the other jobs are taken by guys with 1,000TT or more or guys who don't want anything to do with regional airlines with a lot of TT. And I live in a "target rich environment". Florida is full of aviation opportunities. Just not if you don't have a CFI or minimum 1,000TT.
 
Last sentence on a pilot's resume:
"Will fly for food" even if its canned spaghetti................
 
A-300F4-622R said:
$92/hr
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The money's nice, but it wouldn't be worth being bored off my butt flying (monitoring) some fatty-ass transport category jet with the autopilot on and sipping coffee at FL XXX, where the biggest thrill of the sortie is an instrument approach.

Nah, Ill take the old school UH-1H, low, dirty, and working.
 
MikeD said:
The money's nice, but it wouldn't be worth being bored off my butt flying (monitoring) some fatty-ass transport category jet with the autopilot on and sipping coffee at FL XXX, where the biggest thrill of the sortie is an instrument approach.

Nah, Ill take the old school UH-1H, low, dirty, and working.
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I agree. It's boring beyond belief. About the only thing exciting is seeing the money deposited in my account every two weeks. I only do this for the money, bennies, retirement and time off. Not for the flying. It's just a job. If I could find something that has the same pay and QOL, I'd leave this job and never look back.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
I agree. It's boring beyond belief. About the only thing exciting is seeing the money deposited in my account every two weeks. I only do this for the money, bennies, retirement and time off. Not for the flying. It's just a job. If I could find something that has the same pay and QOL, I'd leave this job and never look back.
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I certainly wouldn't mind the money, but for me personally, I have to enjoy what Im doing too; hence why I don't necessarily mind being paid less for what I do (though I think I should be paid more :) ). Some guys are able to do like you do, some guys not. It's neither right or wrong, just individual taste.
 
MikeD said:
I certainly wouldn't mind the money, but for me personally, I have to enjoy what Im doing too; hence why I don't necessarily mind being paid less for what I do (though I think I should be paid more :) ). Some guys are able to do like you do, some guys not. It's neither right or wrong, just individual taste.
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I'll be the first to admit that I am very fortunate to have this job and to work for a successful company. But unlike many pilots, my life does not revolve around aviation. Airline pilot is what I do, not what I am.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
I'll be the first to admit that I am very fortunate to have this job and to work for a successful company. But unlike many pilots, my life does not revolve around aviation. Airline pilot is what I do, not what I am.
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It's indeed interesting how many pilots I meet who "airline/military/corporate/etc pilot" does seem to define who they are, and is what they're consumed with in some way nearly 24/7. It's almost scary. For my job, flying is a secondary part of what I do, for all intents and purposes, so Im kind of in the same boat as you in that respect. Flying just pays the bills; my contract work and safety work I do is what I really enjoy.
 
MikeD said:
It's indeed interesting how many pilots I meet who "airline/military/corporate/etc pilot" does seem to define who they are, and is what they're consumed with in some way nearly 24/7. It's almost scary. For my job, flying is a secondary part of what I do, for all intents and purposes, so Im kind of in the same boat as you in that respect. Flying just pays the bills; my contract work and safety work I do is what I really enjoy.
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It's amazing how many pilots there are that have no life outside of aviation. I was flying with a guy I've never met before. Reaching cruise, he pulls out a stack of photos of his new Cessna. Unsolicited, he hands them to me. I feign interest in the first few photos and them hand the stack back to him, while I tell him "nice plane". He then asks what kind of plane I own. I reply that I don't own one. He looks surprised and asks why not. I told him that I have no use for my own airplane and that I don't like flying in GA airplanes anymore. The best part is that the said that he doesn't even use it for travel. He uses it to go fetch the proverbial $100 hamburger on nice days, even though it's got more crap in it and better equipped than the Airbus we were sitting in. When he asked me why I didn't like GA flying I told him that if I were a ditch digger, that on my time off I wouldn't go and dig up my yard just for fun. That to me, is what GA flying just "around the patch" is like. That pissed him off and he canned the little airplane talk the rest of the pairing.
 
A-300F4-622R said:
It's amazing how many pilots there are that have no life outside of aviation. I was flying with a guy I've never met before. Reaching cruise, he pulls out a stack of photos of his new Cessna. Unsolicited, he hands them to me. I feign interest in the first few photos and them hand the stack back to him, while I tell him "nice plane". He then asks what kind of plane I own. I reply that I don't own one. He looks surprised and asks why not. I told him that I have no use for my own airplane and that I don't like flying in GA airplanes anymore. The best part is that the said that he doesn't even use it for travel. He uses it to go fetch the proverbial $100 hamburger on nice days, even though it's got more crap in it and better equipped than the Airbus we were sitting in. When he asked me why I didn't like GA flying I told him that if I were a ditch digger, that on my time off I wouldn't go and dig up my yard just for fun. That to me, is what GA flying just "around the patch" is like. That pissed him off and he canned the little airplane talk the rest of the pairing.
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Odd for a guy who hangs out on a pilot message board. :smoke:
 
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