AIN/Bob Hoover honoring a scab!

Hacker15e said:
Be that as it may, there is a large portion of the aviation world that frankly could not care less who was a scab at what airline.

Not advocating it, just calling it like I see it.
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Hacker you are probably correct as most scabs are retired or soon to be retired hopefully forever ending that era. But back in the day most of us took it very seriously, many making career altering decisions. From Wikipedia:

During the 29-day United Airlines pilot strike of May 1985, Lacy was one of the first pilots to cross the picket line and go to work on May 17, 1985...

I was one of the 570 that refused to cross on that date. In support of my striking CAL brothers, had this red NO LORENZO decal displayed on my plane for 20 years:

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This scab thing: y'all are totally chasing the wrong shiny objects.

Meanwhile, labor relations picture has totally changed to the point where the NMB will never release a group for self help.
 
Springer said:
back in the day most of us took it very seriously, many making career altering decisions.
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Again, don't take my statements to mean it is what I personally believe as a current ALPA member in good standing at a union carrier.

I'm just stating the ground-truth that I see out there in the non-121 parts of aviation that I have occupied for the last 25 years or so. Airline guys are pretty steeped in a culture that is very insular and not automatically shared with the reams of GA, 91, 135, military, and other aviators.
 
MikeD said:
Only had it happen to me once when jumpseating on a UAL DC-10 about 22 years ago.
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Oh yikes! I thought you were all mil, didn't recall civilian airline time?


Hacker15e said:
I've only been flying 121 for 2 years, and I've had a Captain have me look up the list on my iPhone when a UAL 787 Capt asked for the jumpseat. He was not on the list.
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Did your phone 'work' or did you any signal problems? If people want to play the jumpseat denial games, IMO do the leg work themselves.

mshunter said:
That's fine. #1, we have a commuter clause and #2, I don't know a union rep in the world that when you got a call from the JS Chair and said "Yeah, we denied him the seat, but have you checked his name on the scab list?" would really give a damn, if it even got past their own JS Chair.

Simply put, don't scab. You may be okay with it, but I promise you, you are in the minority. CBA's are only as good as the guys who negotiate them. When you fly struck work, you undermine that whole process, and more importantly, the contract you work under. So, you are just screwing yourself, in more than one way.
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Whoa whoa, hold on. I did not say I'm okay with scabbing! I'm against it and would never cross a picket line.

I'm just not for these JS denial games or potentially illegal action (theft, poison, vandalize, poo).
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Oh yikes! I thought you were all mil, didn't recall civilian airline time?.
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Was a 135 cargo guy with our company owned by Skywest prior to mil, and we were able to JS; with SWA, America West and UAL being the easiest.

UAL DC-10 had a Capt flying as FE, and he wanted to check me against his list. Forget the fact that I was just starting college when EAL '89 was occurring. And was in high school for UALs strike.
 
knot4u said:
I'm going to have to agree with @Hacker15e about a lot of aviation happening outside of the 121 world. I've said on this board that I used to work at Clay Lacy Aviation as a mechanic, and I heard plenty of stories about him. But he was never arrogant or mean to me. I wasn't aware when I was hired that he crossed a picket line when I was 13 or 14 years old. And I certainly can't endorse his confusion about his age. The main thing that I took from my experience there really has nothing to do with him, it was more about the people that I worked with on a daily basis and remain friends with to this day, hundreds of people with decent paying jobs, and getting a chance to expand my knowledge on a number of different airframes. Bob Hoover was always the perfect southern gentleman every time I had a chance to speak with him, his record as a pilot speaks for itself and apparently he thought Clay was deserving of this award. I guess my point is as a non 121 pilot, I work as a mechanic 91/135/145, I can understand the anger but my personal experience doesn't match the myth. The one thing that always kind of pissed me off was the Mustang that just sat, it would get run every once in awhile, but it never flew. Such a waste.
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I parked my 206 between his learjet and the door at BFI once, no one was there to marshal me in so I parked where I felt like parking. Boy the staff there was heated about it, I told them they were free to move it wherever they needed to, just don't scratch my wheel pant.

Nothing to do with scabbing, or Lacy I guess, just a funny memory.
 
texas_pilot said:
I recommended a friend for a flying job that flunked his medical, busted for a dirty urinalysis.
He apologized and explained he thought his soon to be divorced wife put drugs in his food.
Not happy wife= not happy life.
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And she gave him the diabetus?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Did your phone 'work' or did you any signal problems? If people want to play the jumpseat denial games, IMO do the leg work themselves.
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You do realize that some companies, like SJI, when the captain asks or tells you do do something, it carries the weight of an order. Failure to comply or outright refusal is considered tantamount to mutiny and will find you answering questions from the CPO.

Not saying that's what automatically happens, but it's very easy to remove an FO who is being recalcitrant
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Agreed.

Poisoning someone's food is a felony even in the best of circumstances. Do it while in the operation of an airliner and losing your cush six figure airline job is going to be the least of your worries.
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Not a kneecap busting union guy, but I doubt that spitting a big ol lugey in someone's coffee counts as poisoning.
 
knot4u said:
No. But if you look around on the Youtubes you can find a video of Strega running up in Tigers hangar at Shafter during a party, cool to watch, wouldn't want to be there. I can't even imagine running up the bearcat inside. The only thing I've seen run in a hangar was the APU on a G-III, and it was miserable.
Edit: Found it....
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Lyford did it as a surprise prank at one of these tux-and-tie parties there at VNY, which is par for the course for Chuck if you know him. He's a family friend and quite a personality.
 
Roger Roger said:
Not a kneecap busting union guy, but I doubt that spitting a big ol lugey in someone's coffee counts as poisoning.
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"Poisoning" is probably too strong of a word, but at least at a state level, spitting in someone's food can be a felony and is certainly a misdemeanor.

Regardless, five year old level behavior doesn't seem worth endangering ones employment status.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
"Poisoning" is probably too strong of a word, but at least at a state level, spitting in someone's food can be a felony and is certainly a misdemeanor.
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In the era of pathogens and viruses that can be passed via saliva/mucus etc, "poisoning" is most definitely the word a state can and will use to prosecute. Assault at best, aggravated assault at worst.

Regardless, five year old level behavior doesn't seem worth endangering ones employment status.
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Some supposed-adults can't seem to help themselves. Not just in this, but throughout life. The stupidity some people do, without considering the consequences, is amazing.
 
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