AIN/Bob Hoover honoring a scab!

BobDDuck said:
You know what isn't a minor inconvenience? Having to constantly lock your flight bag to something so it doesn't wander off. Having to never leave your food unattended in the lounge or in the cockpit. Never being able to accept a cup of coffee (or anything else) from the galley that isn't pre sealed. Never being able to ask for a day off trade with a fellow (non scab) pilot. Always having to make sure none of your fellow employees see which car you get in to when you drive home so it doesn't get destroyed while you are out on your next trip. Always wondering if your next sim check is going to be the one where the instructor was a guy who walked the line when you crossed it.

It's up to every other pilot on a property to make sure that their life is just like that.
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There are lines that no one should cross. A pilot should never cross a picket line. Ever. ALPA should have never taken any of their asses back either. Never. That is no justification however for other pilots to break the law. You want to refuse a jumpseat or deny a seat anywhere on your aircraft, show them the cold shoulder, confront the person and give them a piece of your mind, embarrass them in front of other crew, ignore them on an over night, etc. Fine. But once you decide to tamper with someone's food or drink, damage their car, follow them home, or harass their family, you have now crossed the line of human decency and that sort of behavior can and will land your ass in jail. Those are criminal activities. That is not anything to be proud of or to encourage. Ever. You want to jeopardize your career for that kind of behavior? Seriously? Be the professional that you are supposed to be modeling.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I get it. The FOs are treating them like that on purpose. No fun chat for a 7-10+ hr flight. No recognition or respect, other than what's required per the manuals and for CRM. Is that really a punishment? How much do those CAs really care about being ignored by the FO? They're still CA / boss, and it's still gear up mister. This isn't a consequence, just a mere/minor inconvenience.
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I don't think that amount of misery and contempt day in and day out is really worth any amount of paycheck. Call me crazy but I like having a pleasant work environment.
 
A Life Aloft said:
There are lines that no one should cross. A pilot should never cross a picket line. Ever. ALPA should have never taken any of their asses back either. Never. That is no justification however for other pilots to break the law. You want to refuse a jumpseat, show them the cold shoulder, confront the person and give them a piece of your mind, embarrass them in front of other crew, ignore them on an over night, etc. Fine. But once you decide to tamper with someone's food or drink, damage their car, follow them home, or harass their family, you have now crossed the line of human decency and that sort of behavior can and will land your ass in jail. Those are criminal activities. That is not anything to be proud of or to encourage. Ever. You want to jeopardize your career for that kind of behavior? Seriously? Be the professional that you are supposed to be modeling.
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Personally, I don't disagree with you. But... people did/do it. So the fear is real.
 
MikeD said:
Meh. Still classless, stomping on the graves of the dead.



And even more classless. Taking that BS to the families of the deceased.

2 wrongs don't make a right.
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What do you think will happen when Bowie Bergdahl gets planted?
 
BobDDuck said:
I don't think you get it Mike. With (truly) organized labor there is absolutely nothing classless about stomping on the graves of the dead if they were scabs. It's one of those things where you are either in or your out. Simple as that.
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EDIT: I see you already replied to the same ideas to ALifeAloft....so understood where you stand.

Why don't these guys not kill their families and burn down their house too? I mean, if calling the family of the dead and saying "good riddance" is apparently acceptable practice. [not saying you, am just making general commentary about those who do believe this to be good practice]

BobDDuck said:
You know what isn't a minor inconvenience? Having to constantly lock your flight bag to something so it doesn't wander off. Having to never leave your food unattended in the lounge or in the cockpit. Never being able to accept a cup of coffee (or anything else) from the galley that isn't pre sealed. Never being able to ask for a day off trade with a fellow (non scab) pilot. Always having to make sure none of your fellow employees see which car you get in to when you drive home so it doesn't get destroyed while you are out on your next trip. Always wondering if your next sim check is going to be the one where the instructor was a guy who walked the line when you crossed it.

It's up to every other pilot on a property to make sure that their life is just like that.
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Absolute and utter adolecent stupidity, if one is going to commit crimes.....some being felonies at that, at some of the things you describe. So much for being adults, for people who do this

Would it be worth it to these people to be without a job and sitting in jail or prison, all because of some scab who "made them" commit crimes? Yeah, I can see ignoring them, not talking to them. Wanting nothing to do with them. Fine and dandy. That's about where it should end.

Again, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
 
Cptnchia said:
What do you think will happen when Bowie Bergdahl gets planted?
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He'll probably get a normal funeral, likely without any military honors, and be left to peace in that way in the town he came from. A footnote in history, sadly. Despicable what he did, and his pennance will be getting forgotten overall (other than being a history lesson).
 
mshunter said:
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I wonder if Hoover knew/remembered he was a scab before he did this. Kind of changes the way I feel about him now.
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Yes, Hoover undoubtedly knew...and as someone who was never an airline pilot, likely didn't appreciate what it meant (or really care). The airline world tends to be a bit insular, and there is a whole wide world of professional aviation that exists outside of it where things that are of enormous importance in the 121 world don't have quite the same stature.

Lacy did a lot of douchey things over the years, but he also did a lot for aviation over those years as well.
 
I've never cared for Lacy and would get out of flying forever if working for him or his organization was the only job I could find in aviation. All that he's done has had much more to do with himself and his bottom line that it ever contributed to aviation. Everything that he stands for is based on the lie and cheating that he perpetuated his entire career. He's a POS in my book.

MikeD said:
Meh. Still classless, stomping on the graves of the dead..........
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I guess stomping on the graves of the living is too hard for some.....:D


Reading the postings both here and in other threads makes me shake my head. It would be laughable were it not so sad to read a comment like this:
A Life Aloft said:
There are lines that no one should cross. A pilot should never cross a picket line. Ever. ALPA should have never taken any of their asses back either. Never. That is no justification however for other pilots to break the law. You want to refuse a jumpseat or deny a seat anywhere on your aircraft, show them the cold shoulder, confront the person and give them a piece of your mind, embarrass them in front of other crew, ignore them on an over night, etc. Fine........
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that includes this:
A Life Aloft said:
.........But once you decide to tamper with someone's food or drink, damage their car, follow them home, or harass their family, you have now crossed the line of human decency and that sort of behavior can and will land your ass in jail. Those are criminal activities. That is not anything to be proud of or to encourage. Ever. You want to jeopardize your career for that kind of behavior? Seriously? Be the professional that you are supposed to be modeling.
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I'm not taking a shot at the poster here because this is seems to be a common feeling. I'll admit that I might not ever understand it but I do find it all pretty hypocritical.
 
dustoff17 said:
would get out of flying forever if working for him or his organization was the only job I could find in aviation.
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I almost did get out of flying in '10-11 because of that very reason. I was on the streets, and looking for almost a year. I was offered a job their from an acquaintance and turned it down, with still no job.

"You know you're working for a scab, right? He crossed picket lines, and flew struck work."
 
mshunter said:
I was talking about Hoover, not Lacy.
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As mentioned earlier, Hoover was never an airline pilot. Military, to factory test pilot and then airshow pilot. The only union he may have ever encountered was a machinist union at one of the manufacturers he worked for. Therefore one can speculate that he wasn't ever concerned with labor relation disputes at an airline. Out of sight, out of mind.

Both were of the same generation, one did many great things for both civilian and military aviation and has always been regarded as the best pilot that ever flew. The other promoted Learjets and scabbed.


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