AIN/Bob Hoover honoring a scab!

[pete2800]

I don't get the "respect for the dead" thing.

People are people. We're not rare. If someone wasn't respectable in life, they don't suddenly become respectable when they're dead. Trash is trash, even when it goes to the landfill. That said, harassing their family is pathetic and disgusting.

Some people make the world around them better. Some people make the world around them worse. The world is better when the latter group ceases to exist.

 

[SurferLucas]

Some people make the world around them better. Some people make the world around them worse. The world is better when the latter group ceases to exist.

 

[gotWXdagain]

Also, the jumpseat protection list (at least the one I have) does not list the two Falcon Air scabs who flew struck work during the Spirit strike.

Wasn't there something on here about one of them not actually knowing it was struck work they were flying, then removing himself from the rest of the trips when he found out?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Also, the jumpseat protection list (at least the one I have) does not list the two Falcon Air scabs who flew struck work during the Spirit strike.

LOL! Luckily in 10 yrs of flying Part 121, I have yet to see a CA whip out that list.

And given how small the industry is, today you turn that guy down for a JS, then tomorrow he turns you down trying to get to work/home. What goes around, comes around.

 

[MikeD]

LOL! Luckily in 10 yrs of flying Part 121, I have yet to see a CA whip out that list.

And given how small the industry is, today you turn that guy down for a JS, then tomorrow he turns you down trying to get to work/home. What goes around, comes around.

Only had it happen to me once when jumpseating on a UAL DC-10 about 22 years ago.

 

[mshunter]

And given how small the industry is, today you turn that guy down for a JS, then tomorrow he turns you down trying to get to work/home. What goes around, comes around.

That's fine. #1, we have a commuter clause and #2, I don't know a union rep in the world that when you got a call from the JS Chair and said "Yeah, we denied him the seat, but have you checked his name on the scab list?" would really give a damn, if it even got past their own JS Chair.

Simply put, don't scab. You may be okay with it, but I promise you, you are in the minority. CBA's are only as good as the guys who negotiate them. When you fly struck work, you undermine that whole process, and more importantly, the contract you work under. So, you are just screwing yourself, in more than one way.

 

[ShyFlyer]

Got a question regarding scab lists:

Is it possible to have your name added to the list by accident? For example, say an airline has a Mike Bronson and a Mark Branson. Mike honors the picket line, Mark does not. However, because the names are so similar, is there a chance that Mike is incorrectly placed on the list?

 

[Hacker15e]

LOL! Luckily in 10 yrs of flying Part 121, I have yet to see a CA whip out that list.

I've only been flying 121 for 2 years, and I've had a Captain have me look up the list on my iPhone when a UAL 787 Capt asked for the jumpseat. He was not on the list.

 

[Nark]

I've only been flying 121 for 2 years, and I've had a Captain have me look up the list on my iPhone when a UAL 787 Capt asked for the jumpseat. He was not on the list.

Did the ol'timer not have his cheaters? Or did his Jitterbug not have a data plan?
hehe.

 

[Cptnchia]

LOL! Luckily in 10 yrs of flying Part 121, I have yet to see a CA whip out that list.

I have a copy on my phone, and use it too. However, if the pilot asking for a ride looks like they were in diapers when most of these guys scabbed, there's no reason to reference it. If the guy looks like Methuselah, I'll look them up c

 

[Cptnchia]

Lack of foresight to have a "strike fund" set up. Not that I'm condoning that sort of thing, I mean there's other ways to earn money in the meantime, but if there's anything remotely close to a legitimate reason, that'd be it.

Doing "gay for pay" porn is a more respectable alternative to put food on the table and keep a roof over your family's head than crossing a picket line.

 

[mshunter]

Got a question regarding scab lists:

Is it possible to have your name added to the list by accident? For example, say an airline has a Mike Bronson and a Mark Branson. Mike honors the picket line, Mark does not. However, because the names are so similar, is there a chance that Mike is incorrectly placed on the list?

It involves more than just a name. It also involves employee numbers too. Most guys who are on the list are retired now.

 

[gotWXdagain]

Doing "gay for pay" porn is a more respectable alternative to put food on the table and keep a roof over your family's head than crossing a picket line.

Well, for most people at that point you're just choosing between two different ways to abandon your principles for money. But for some people...

 

[ShyFlyer]

It also involves employee numbers too.

Ok, that makes sense. I've never seen "the list" so I assumed it was just name and airline.

 

[Cptnchia]

Ok, that makes sense. I've never seen "the list" so I assumed it was just name and airline.

Ask and ye shall receive.

http://download.cabledrum.net/wikileaks_archive/file/airline-pilot-scab-list-2004.pdf

 

[texas_pilot]

You know what isn't a minor inconvenience? Having to constantly lock your flight bag to something so it doesn't wander off. Having to never leave your food unattended in the lounge or in the cockpit. Never being able to accept a cup of coffee (or anything else) from the galley that isn't pre sealed. Never being able to ask for a day off trade with a fellow (non scab) pilot. Always having to make sure none of your fellow employees see which car you get in to when you drive home so it doesn't get destroyed while you are out on your next trip. Always wondering if your next sim check is going to be the one where the instructor was a guy who walked the line when you crossed it.

It's up to every other pilot on a property to make sure that their life is just like that.

I recommended a friend for a flying job that flunked his medical, busted for a dirty urinalysis.
He apologized and explained he thought his soon to be divorced wife put drugs in his food.
Not happy wife= not happy life.

 

[knot4u]

I'm going to have to agree with @Hacker15e about a lot of aviation happening outside of the 121 world. I've said on this board that I used to work at Clay Lacy Aviation as a mechanic, and I heard plenty of stories about him. But he was never arrogant or mean to me. I wasn't aware when I was hired that he crossed a picket line when I was 13 or 14 years old. And I certainly can't endorse his confusion about his age. The main thing that I took from my experience there really has nothing to do with him, it was more about the people that I worked with on a daily basis and remain friends with to this day, hundreds of people with decent paying jobs, and getting a chance to expand my knowledge on a number of different airframes. Bob Hoover was always the perfect southern gentleman every time I had a chance to speak with him, his record as a pilot speaks for itself and apparently he thought Clay was deserving of this award. I guess my point is as a non 121 pilot, I work as a mechanic 91/135/145, I can understand the anger but my personal experience doesn't match the myth. The one thing that always kind of pissed me off was the Mustang that just sat, it would get run every once in awhile, but it never flew. Such a waste.

 

[Hacker15e]

The one thing that always kind of pissed me off was the Mustang that just sat, it would get run every once in awhile, but it never flew. Such a waste.

Were you there when Chuck Lyford ran it inside the hangar during one of Lacy's parties?

 

[obx]

The only time that I've seen a guy pull out "the list" is for a guy that seemed to fit a certain profile. After asking when he was hired, etc. the EAL strike was in what? '89. And the CAL strike was '83, I think. UAL '85? So, while the numbers are quickly dwindling, there was a time 10-15 years ago when it wouldn't have been unheard of to encounter one. And it would have been easy to tell if they we worthy of a quick glance at the list based on their "vintage."

Regarding accidental inclusion on the list, there are several instances where a name is followed by an asterisk saying something like, "Not Joe Smith at HAL." To identify if someone with a common name was NOT the actual scab.

 

[knot4u]

Were you there when Chuck Lyford ran it inside the hangar during one of Lacy's parties?

No. But if you look around on the Youtubes you can find a video of Strega running up in Tigers hangar at Shafter during a party, cool to watch, wouldn't want to be there. I can't even imagine running up the bearcat inside. The only thing I've seen run in a hangar was the APU on a G-III, and it was miserable.
Edit: Found it....