AIN/Bob Hoover honoring a scab!

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Whoa whoa, hold on. I did not say I'm okay with scabbing! I'm against it and would never cross a picket line.

I'm just not for these JS denial games or potentially illegal action (theft, poison, vandalize, poo).
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Being okay with not holding a scab accountable undermines the CBA process. Undermining the CBA process in that fashion is being okay with scabbing.
 
I'm glad to see that, even in this highly emotionally charged issue, great care is taken to correctly identify the guilty party. I was just curious as, personally, I don't have anything to worry about since A) I wouldn't cross a picket line and B) my last name isn't really all that common in this country, though it is frequently (and sometimes amusingly) misspelled.


On the subject of food tampering, there have been many cases were a LEO's food and/or drink have been tampered with (bodily fluids usually) and the person responsible is successfully prosecuted for assault. (Actual charges and penalties may vary by location, check local listings)
 
We get several 911 calls monthly for far-lesser kinds of harrassment/aggravated harassment. Police are dispatched and cases are prosecuted. People do jail time.

You'll lie in the bed you make. Glitter in a bag can be as bad for you personally as contaminating someone's food or drink.

If you're going to stand on "principle," don't get caught.
 
mshunter said:
Being okay with not holding a scab accountable undermines the CBA process. Undermining the CBA process in that fashion is being okay with scabbing.
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How do you hold a scab accountable? I've heard theft, vandalism, and poisoning. Hardly anything I've read wouldn't qualify as a crime or a fire-able offense from a company. Silent treatment is about the extent of what you can get away with. ALPA won't do a thing about scabs and they are dues-paying members today.

And by CBA process, did you mean collective bargaining agreement process? The single biggest undermining factor of the CBA process is the RLA.
 
Cptnchia said:
You do realize that some companies, like SJI, when the captain asks or tells you do do something, it carries the weight of an order. Failure to comply or outright refusal is considered tantamount to mutiny and will find you answering questions from the CPO.

Not saying that's what automatically happens, but it's very easy to remove an FO who is being recalcitrant
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:D

 
Bob Ridpath said:
We get several 911 calls monthly for far-lesser kinds of harrassment/aggravated harassment. Police are dispatched and cases are prosecuted. People do jail time.

You'll lie in the bed you make. Glitter in a bag can be as bad for you personally as contaminating someone's food or drink.

If you're going to stand on "principle," don't get caught.
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And if you do get caught, in addition to any criminal prosecution, you should have your ratings and medical revoked for life. And yes I said medical because if an adult person is engaging in this type of intimidating and bullying behavior then there is definitely some screws loose and they shouldn't be considered mentally fit to fly an airplane.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
And by CBA process, did you mean collective bargaining agreement process? The single biggest undermining factor of the CBA process is the RLA.
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What do you propose would be a good fix? Hopefully you understand that if we weren't covered under the RLA things would be a lot different and not in a good way. Yes, it is frustrating that management can drag their feet and years can go by before contracts get amended but the alternative right now is far worse.
 
amorris311 said:
What do you propose would be a good fix? Hopefully you understand that if we weren't covered under the RLA things would be a lot different and not in a good way. Yes, it is frustrating that management can drag their feet and years can go by before contracts get amended but the alternative right now is far worse.
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I didn't propose any fixes nor want to get into that side topic. Scabs today aren't really undermining the CBA process. There are other things that undermine that. The aforementioned RLA, and even something as simple as seniority. Far too many people don't want to rock the boat, are too scared otherwise, and will vote yes to whatever comes their way.
 
MikeD said:
In the era of pathogens and viruses that can be passed via saliva/mucus etc, "poisoning" is most definitely the word a state can and will use to prosecute. Assault at best, aggravated assault at worst.
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Herpes*
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
How do you hold a scab accountable? I've heard theft, vandalism, and poisoning. Hardly anything I've read wouldn't qualify as a crime or a fire-able offense from a company. Silent treatment is about the extent of what you can get away with. ALPA won't do a thing about scabs and they are dues-paying members today.

And by CBA process, did you mean collective bargaining agreement process? The single biggest undermining factor of the CBA process is the RLA.
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I didn't say anything thing about being malicious, so don't insinuate that I did. About all that can be legally done, is deny someone the jump seat, and the silent treatment, which is what we were discussing, so stay on topic.

As for the RLA and CBA's, yes, crossing pocket lines is the biggest factor. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand how important 100% unity is when negotiating contracts.

You honestly sound like you'd be okay scabbing "because I need to feed my family."

Then get a job that'll buy some food. But don't. Be very careful with how you select your words.
 
Cptnchia said:
How, in the Gods of Kobalt, does seniority undermine the CBA?
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That applies to those who get theirs and pull the ladder up.


And the most biggest recent disastrous example of seniority (or seniority gone wrong) and completely undermining the CBA process: America West / US Airways 2005-2007.
 
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mshunter said:
I didn't say anything thing about being malicious, so don't insinuate that I did. About all that can be legally done, is deny someone the jump seat, and the silent treatment, which is what we were discussing, so stay on topic.

As for the RLA and CBA's, yes, crossing pocket lines is the biggest factor. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand how important 100% unity is when negotiating contracts.
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Do tell, how in the current round of negotiating under the RLA, what picket line was crossed and affected the process of negotiating? The last strike was Spirit and there were two who scabbed and weren't even Spirit employees. What the was one before, Comair? That had I think 3 scabs. Post Comair strike, it was 9/11 that did the rest of the airlines in, not the scabs. The time frame where it did matter was in the 80s with all the major airline strikes. Today's negotiating environment is totally different for a host of reasons.

Don't get me started on unity when it comes to negotiation. Ask any Spirit pilot today how "unity" is going when they are now in the 2nd year in without a new contract and are putting themselves on the standing available list and constantly putting out fires caused by management (or rather, mismanagement). Or even in my shop, how 25% voted no to ALPA. And even when ALPA passed and going through a merger, almost two dozen (of ~700) haven't even joined ALPA.



You honestly sound like you'd be okay scabbing "because I need to feed my family."

Then get a job that'll buy some food. But don't. Be very careful with how you select your words.
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Now you're putting words in my mouth that I never said. I've stated it above before, I'll state it again: I'm against scabbing, and I would never scab.
 
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