Boots2Wings
Just happy to be here.
It’s definitely Stockholm syndrome with you.
JetBlue hires violent felon as a pilot
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tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Well I was talking broadly. That was pretty obvious. Shall we dissect every felon in the country of who is worthy and who isn’t? Would not surprise me if that is something the lot of you would say is logical…
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
It's been a long game for me. And I see the finish line in sight. This thing would have been easier if I was younger. That or more independently wealthy and not an hourly wage earner as a career changer, with bills. But I've saved 80% since September so far toward all my three of instructors ratings, and I'll be starting that in 2023. Excited to start building hours, finally.
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Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
While you all do your best year 1 law school debates, I will give you a little insight from a Blue Juice Factory worker. Apparently the company got so much backlash from the pilots, instructors, union and now it’s on MSM that homeboy is no longer going through training. Looks like he was asked to leave(I’m sure with a nice little payout).
An ATP certificate is one "factor" among many others to determine the "competency" of an individual's ability to protect lives. Makes me wonder if a thin skinned individual would feel the same say if the person worked for air traffic control? Greyhound? Uber?
On the flight deck, the door is locked during flight, right? How does that compromise flight safety if a former felon is behind a locked door? What if he were an A&P? Guess you wouldn't want them working on a airplane?
Any divorced pilots on this thread who were divorced by their spouses? Betcha those "ex's" believe the pilot shouldn't be flying passengers. Betcha those "ex's" believe those pilots are accidents waiting to happen. Just a thought.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
This is really sad.
roundout
VNAV monitor
Except for the payout (if it truly exists).
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Right... but what a crappy outcome for everyone... I mean, I imagine the dude is bummed too if he's actually rehabilitated. "Oh, I have this shot at going back to normal - and... it's gone."
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Unless the payout is millions of dollars, he's still getting screwed.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Even then he’s getting burned…
Like, money ain’t everything, feeling like you’ve redeemed yourself and getting back to “normal” is immensely satisfying
FlyingAccountant
Well-Known Member
I mean, it's not like the guy cheated on his taxes and did time at Club Fed. He premeditated and executed a plan to break into someone's home and beat the crap out of one of the occupants, i.e. a violent felony.
Isn't sound mind and judgment part of flying an aircraft with 100+ souls onboard? I'm fine if this guy never sees the front of a 121 commercial airliner.
Isn't sound mind and judgment part of flying an aircraft with 100+ souls onboard? I'm fine if this guy never sees the front of a 121 commercial airliner.
knot4u
Repeat Offender
I'm an A/P, I've already related my experience regarding background checks, felonies and what happens when a current employee is convicted. I can recall my FBI background check for an LAX badge being delayed because they couldn't get ahold of one of my previous supervisors, the company had folded and my old DOM died, didn't stop them from hassling me for current contact info even after I explained the situation. As this was happening the company that wanted to hire me was doing an outsourced background check and I was receiving phone calls at all hours from them requesting the same info. I finally just stopped answering the phone, a couple of days later I was officially offered the job and I accepted it. I can guarantee I wouldn't have worked there if I had a felony on my record. And trying to make a comparison between a divorce and a felony conviction for a violent crime is just dumb.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
For crying out loud, were any of these convicted violent felons?
Spouses and divorces is usually petty crap. Not violent felons, unless a guy kills his wife in which case, yes permanent ban from being an airline pilot.
And the ATP in America is a joke. We should adopt European standards. I’d like to see pilots here take the 14 part theory exams. More strict on standards and SOPs. We have a laid back culture here. Safe, sure, but an absence of a crash does not imply a good safety culture. The accident-causing pilots of Colgan and Atlas had an ATP. Doesn’t mean much.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Along with Egypt 990, Silk Air, LAM Mozambique. And that was normal people who had a bad turn of events in their life. Now imagine an ex-felon violent guy who has a bad turn of events. It makes it much worse.
knot4u
Repeat Offender
Again, not judging what JetBlue saw in the person-in-question and deciding to give him a (what appears to be temporary) shot, BUT, to be quite honest, anyone has the capacity to respond to a situation violently.
A) A person who has been incarcerated for battery and has a training failure.
B) A person who, in 30 years, has never had a training failure, but just got one.
Who is more dangerous? Honestly, who really knows. It's easy to say Person A because of the history, but how well do we know what Person B is dealing with?
Person A may have coping mechanisms, has previously FAAFO and knows where certain paths and unrestrained inner demons will lead.
Person B might just go postal. Anything is possible.
Again, not specifically supporting JetBlue's hiring decision or the internet's rage against his employment. I just don't have enough information to feel passionately either way.
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Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
“I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.“
An FO and me were debating who has more quotes from that movie. I said Judge, he said Ty. JC mob, what say you?
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I do have a question for the peanut gallery.
Say there was a pilot, clean as a whistle, that gets popped for a random drug test as he's commuting home. He conducts the test and the proctor says that not only is the sample a few degrees too cool, that it appears adulterated because of a high amount of "something" in the sample.
The pilot is subsequently fired from his regional for the result and spends thousands of dollars and years of court time fighting his dismissal and license revocations. Expert witnesses talking about how the urine samples from ectomorphic endurance runners is consistent with the sample and how these items weren't taken into consideration before deeming it an adulterated sample.
All unsuccessful.
A few years later, in a high(er) profile case, the same situation goes down, an airline gets sued for it's urinalysis subcontractor not being a medical professional and it becomes a generally accepted principle that different body types and various fitness levels will have a tangible effect on sampling...
He gives up, resumes life and his dream of being an airline pilot dies.
A couple decades later, he swallows his pride, starts flying again to get his licenses back and gets hired at a small 135 operation.
Now this person has "Yes" under FAA actions for license revocation, violation and administrative actions taken, the firing from a regional and failing a drug test.
Thoughts?
Say there was a pilot, clean as a whistle, that gets popped for a random drug test as he's commuting home. He conducts the test and the proctor says that not only is the sample a few degrees too cool, that it appears adulterated because of a high amount of "something" in the sample.
The pilot is subsequently fired from his regional for the result and spends thousands of dollars and years of court time fighting his dismissal and license revocations. Expert witnesses talking about how the urine samples from ectomorphic endurance runners is consistent with the sample and how these items weren't taken into consideration before deeming it an adulterated sample.
All unsuccessful.
A few years later, in a high(er) profile case, the same situation goes down, an airline gets sued for it's urinalysis subcontractor not being a medical professional and it becomes a generally accepted principle that different body types and various fitness levels will have a tangible effect on sampling...
He gives up, resumes life and his dream of being an airline pilot dies.
A couple decades later, he swallows his pride, starts flying again to get his licenses back and gets hired at a small 135 operation.
Now this person has "Yes" under FAA actions for license revocation, violation and administrative actions taken, the firing from a regional and failing a drug test.
Thoughts?
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