XJT AIP

Seggy said:
That is the unfortunate truth.
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It could have been MUCH better.... IF they wouldn't have been stuck on that PBS vs. Line bidding B.S.

I know it sucks but you've GOT to make the best of what you have (or don't have) which now is a lot less than could have been, had XJT not had incompetent goofballs for Reps. (My opinion only, of course.)
 
juxtapilot said:
It could have been MUCH better.... IF they wouldn't have been stuck on that PBS vs. Line bidding B.S.
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Yep!

I know it sucks but you've GOT to make the best of what you have (or don't have) which now is a lot less than could have been, had XJT not had incompetent goofballs for Reps. (My opinion only, of course.)
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No argument from me on this!
 
juxtapilot said:
It could have been MUCH better.... IF they wouldn't have been stuck on that PBS vs. Line bidding B.S. I know it sucks but you've GOT to make the best of what you have (or don't have) which now is a lot less than could have been, had XJT not had incompetent goofballs for Reps. (My opinion only, of course.)
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Goofballs as reps blindly trusting their scheduling chairman who thought he was a SME on PBS.

SM may be a very smart guy and a great scheduling chair, but he is not the sharpest tool in the PBS methodology department and he, I hold, is single-handedly responsible for the lost time. XJT Reps trusted and believed every lie he spouted about our PBS and insisted on entertaining the abortion that is SmartPref. And yet, LXJT gets to enjoy their extremely lucrative line bidding system for two years while LASA takes it in the shorts on our PBS system?

"Say whaaaat!?"

Oh, right, they'll spend two more years of wasting company funds trying to build a SmartPref ((since, well, in short, it's not really OPERATIONAL!)) and then sell this infant PBS, that has survived an abortion, to BOTH pilot groups.

So yeah...Thanks Obama!
 
surreal1221 said:
Goofballs as reps blindly trusting their scheduling chairman who thought he was a SME on PBS.

SM may be a very smart guy and a great scheduling chair, but he is not the sharpest tool in the PBS methodology department and he, I hold, is single-handedly responsible for the lost time. XJT Reps trusted and believed every lie he spouted about our PBS and insisted on entertaining the abortion that is SmartPref. And yet, LXJT gets to enjoy their extremely lucrative line bidding system for two years while LASA takes it in the shorts on our PBS system?

"Say whaaaat!?"

Oh, right, they'll spend two more years of wasting company funds trying to build a SmartPref ((since, well, in short, it's not really OPERATIONAL!)) and then sell this infant PBS, that has survived an abortion, to BOTH pilot groups.

So yeah...Thanks Obama!
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I've got one we can sell you. You won't like it, though. ;)
 
Seggy said:
Yep!



No argument from me on this!
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I don't get you man. You are obviously a smart guy that spent much of his time fighting for the betterment of regional contracts and yet you constantly defend the most ridiculous contract just because you used to work there? You honestly think that Endeavor or PSA isnt the reason we are all facing concession pressure? (at this point in time) Bankruptcy doesn't matter if there is no job worth coming to at the end of it.
 
Bama said:
They are bound and determined to bitch and moan and drag this "arranged marriage" of a company into nonexistence... We get it. You had it nice.
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I don't think it's fair to make broad statements about this side. I've only been here a little over 2 years so I never knew the "good" times and have only seen things get worse here.

Guys,

THIS IS OUR TIME. What most people don't realize is that it is management that has their back against the wall, not us. With pilots in short supply, demand growing, and growth they are trying to secure these concessionary deals as soon as possible to lock in rates. PSA, Go Jets, or Compass could not even come close to staffing the demand. As crappy as it is right now this could really be a huge turning point for all of us if we can vote NO (both us and Eagle) and make them figure out what to do next. I feel pretty good about my job security not only because FTDT (need for additional pilots) but because of the massive movement that is about to happen, and finally because I could flip burgers and make the same pay if I lost my job. This flying thing is fun but its not the end all be all thing that will fulfill your life guys. Seriously.
 
DenverPilot8 said:
I don't get you man. You are obviously a smart guy that spent much of his time fighting for the betterment of regional contracts and yet you constantly defend the most ridiculous contract just because you used to work there? You honestly think that Endeavor or PSA isnt the reason we are all facing concession pressure? (at this point in time) Bankruptcy doesn't matter if there is no job worth coming to at the end of it.
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You guys are in this situation because of Endeavor and PSA.

What I am saying though is that with Endeavor, you can't blame the pilots. Need to blame the Bankruptcy process, specifically, the 1113C Section that @L-16B boy Overrated Reagan allowed to become law.
 
Seggy said:
You guys are in this situation because of Endeavor and PSA.

What I am saying though is that with Endeavor, you can't blame the pilots. Need to blame the Bankruptcy process, specifically, the 1113C Section that @L-16B boy Overrated Reagan allowed to become law.
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Bedtime for Bonzo! :)
 
At the end of the day, there will still need to be asses in seats to make the airlines $$. You can't simply wind down 2 large regionals equating over 6000 pilots and expect the mainline partner to just figure it out. Even a single guy with no family living at home wants to make enough to afford their car payment, beer habit, and child support*. They need the cheaper feed to support their business model, and they are hoping we won't call their bluff. I'd love to see mainline take it all back but that isn't going to make the investors any more money so it seems unlikely. The camels nose is already under the tent on this one, let's not let the rest of him in. No need to bend over any more folks. Props to Eagle and (hopefully Xjet) for towing the line when the time has come.

*YMMV, ya dig?
 
Maurus said:
You are assuming they can hire enough people to upgrade. So far we have Great Lakes that has more captains sitting right seat than FOs.

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Great Lakes first year FO: $16
PSA first year FO: $24

Apparently PSA is not having any problems.
 
TallFlyer said:
Great Lakes first year FO: $16
PSA first year FO: $24

Apparently PSA is not having any problems.
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According to APC PSA has a 6.4 year upgrade. I wouldn't exactly call that "quick". Yes the new jets will accelerate that, but that is assuming they can fill classes enough to increase their fleet by 30 I believe. That is a 61% increase in fleet size in a short time. I have no idea how PSA and Mesa intend to staff their new jets. The places that are actually hiring a lot right now can't fill their classes.

GL is on the low end. It makes sense they would be the first to have issues. Next will likely be CA.
 
Maurus said:
According to APC PSA has a 6.4 year upgrade. I wouldn't exactly call that "quick". Yes the new jets will accelerate that, but that is assuming they can fill classes enough to increase their fleet by 30 I believe. That is a 61% increase in fleet size in a short time. I have no idea how PSA and Mesa intend to staff their new jets. The places that are actually hiring a lot right now can't fill their classes.
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The APC numbers aren it taking into account the recent aircraft order, options, and movement. If 5 a month leave PSA for greener pastures (and not just the new AA, but also Delta, United, etc, etc) and they bring on 30 new airplanes in the next two years that roughly means about 270 upgrades before Jan 2016. That's larger that the current FO pool. Can they staff that? Well, even with recent events they're a better option than Mesa or RAH.

GL is on the low end. It makes sense they would be the first to have issues. Next will likely be CA.
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CommutAir is already having issues. According to the grapevine we had a class of 5 and three bailed for other gigs before the end of training. Current class has 3 in it. The FO list is shrinking a bit.
 
TallFlyer said:
Can they staff that? Well, even with recent events they're a better option than Mesa or RAH.
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Exactly my point. Can they staff that? I find it unlikely. RAH already can't staff their 175s and Q400s. PSA and Mesa will be in for a ride when they can't staff their new 76 seat jets.

I could be wrong but I don't see a future where any regional can hire enough to fill classes.


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Maurus said:
Exactly my point. Can they staff that? I find it unlikely. RAH already can't staff their 175s and Q400s. PSA and Mesa will be in for a ride when they can't staff their new 76 seat jets.

I could be wrong but I don't see a future where any regional can hire enough to fill classes.


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Easy solution: 170/175/190/195/700/900s at Mainline.

Will we ever see it though? Who knows.....

Anecdotally Mesa has not had muck problem staffing their current classes, ditto PSA, but that's only Internet (read: APC) rumor. PSA has the better pay scales of the three, even given a 4 year cap on FO pay. If they keep staffing I'd be really curious to see how many people hired post contract even see the 4th year in the right seat.
 
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