XJT AIP

Trip7 said:
I foresee some cancellations in XJT 's future
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That'll really help convince United that ExpressJet can handle additional contract flying.

Hmm...future not looking so bright for ERJ contract extension/additions if every month is gonna look like that.
 
But I guess all of that was caused by the darn pilots not willing to give concessions. On another note, on the management conference call, Brad mentioned that the FA and MX contracts cannot be done without our contract. Any insights on why because it didn't make any sense to me.
 
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It seems XJT is doing 40 people in each class on the ERJ side. Two classes a month. I'm told attrition of 40 a month on the ERJ side so they are just barely covering attrition, let alone the new rest rules coming into play.

Now the real question is if all 40 of those people actually show up.

Going to be an interesting couple of months for XJT.
 
ross9238 said:
But I guess all of that was caused by the darn pilots not willing to give concessions. On another note, on the management conference call, Brad mentioned that the FA and MX contracts cannot be done without our contract. Any insights on why because it didn't make any sense to me.
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Their assumption is that if we cave, they will too.

Every plan is basically a giant deck of cards. If one part of the plan falls apart, EVERYTHING comes tumbling down. If we vote no, then the company won't be able to re-fleet, and the company will go out of business.

BUT, if we vote yes, then we MIGHT be able to re-fleet, and then the company MIGHT be able to get the mechanics to agree to a concessionary contract, and the company MIGHT be able to get the FA's to agree to a concessionary contract, and we MIGHT win some RFP's if Skywest decides they don't want them for themselves too, because Skywest will STILL be cheaper by 4% according to the road shows. Oh and we don't even start seeing cost savings for another 3 years.
 
middies10 said:
It seems XJT is doing 40 people in each class on the ERJ side. Two classes a month. I'm told attrition of 40 a month on the ERJ side so they are just barely covering attrition, let alone the new rest rules coming into play. Now the real question is if all 40 of those people actually show up. Going to be an interesting couple of months for XJT.
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The answer is NO to the 40 a class. Last three classes have been 18 (+1 requal), 24, 28. Heard a few from one class aren't doing do well and know of one released from a class before these three.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
The answer is NO to the 40 a class. Last three classes have been 18 (+1 requal), 24, 28. Heard a few from one class aren't doing do well and know of one released from a class before these three.
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The only reason I believe that its 40 a month is that on an email I received yesterday about our January 6th class, it was addressed to 40 people.
 
middies10 said:
The only reason I believe that its 40 a month is that on an email I received yesterday about our January 6th class, it was addressed to 40 people.
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We were told they want 40 to a class but not filling them. Also hearing sim delays for the class before 11/18 and the 11/18 class is to start sims next week. It sucks to be stuck in hobby.
 
middies10 said:
The only reason I believe that its 40 a month is that on an email I received yesterday about our January 6th class, it was addressed to 40 people.
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You would think that in this day and age they would know how to send an email without every recepient knowing who else got it....
 
Screaming_Emu said:
This is the same group of people who almost always have to resend emails because they forget to include an attachment.
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PSA used to do that all the time too.

And then for some reason the DO couldn't send an email with out attaching a winmail.dat file. He never bothered to introduce himself before he started sending angry "you are all bad pilots" emails to the group so a lot of us just started referring to him as WinmailDotDatGuy.
 
jtrain609 said:
Their assumption is that if we cave, they will too.

Every plan is basically a giant deck of cards. If one part of the plan falls apart, EVERYTHING comes tumbling down. If we vote no, then the company won't be able to re-fleet, and the company will go out of business.

BUT, if we vote yes, then we MIGHT be able to re-fleet, and then the company MIGHT be able to get the mechanics to agree to a concessionary contract, and the company MIGHT be able to get the FA's to agree to a concessionary contract, and we MIGHT win some RFP's if Skywest decides they don't want them for themselves too, because Skywest will STILL be cheaper by 4% according to the road shows. Oh and we don't even start seeing cost savings for another 3 years.
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Well said Train. Attrition is finally picking up on the CRJ side. Lots of guys in the lounge with class dates at AA, Airways, United, Delta, JB and Spirit.

Happy New Year!
 
BobDDuck said:
PSA used to do that all the time too.

And then for some reason the DO couldn't send an email with out attaching a winmail.dat file. He never bothered to introduce himself before he started sending angry "you are all bad pilots" emails to the group so a lot of us just started referring to him as WinmailDotDatGuy.
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Maybe it's the fatigue that's finally set in, but I LOL'd hard at this.
 
Trip7 said:
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So, apparently they are asking Captains now to pick up these FO open trips (contract violation?) and anyone who would like to volunteer for reserve duty for next few days. This week is going to be complete meltdown with open trips and winter weather headed towards northeast.

Bawhaha!
 
CRJDriver said:
So, apparently they are asking Captains now to pick up these FO open trips (contract violation?) and anyone who would like to volunteer for reserve duty for next few days. This week is going to be complete meltdown with open trips and winter weather headed towards northeast.

Bawhaha!
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"Critical Mass"

Popcorn in hand
 
CRJDriver said:
So, apparently they are asking Captains now to pick up these FO open trips (contract violation?) and anyone who would like to volunteer for reserve duty for next few days. This week is going to be complete meltdown with open trips and winter weather headed towards northeast.

Bawhaha!
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How about the company telling CLE pilots to not commute to CLE, and instead to call scheduling and then scheduling will tell them where to commute to? I'm pretty sure they can't do that. You start and end trips in your domicile, and if you don't the company gives you a DH.

I've realized in the last few days that it doesn't matter if we vote this TA in or not, because the company isn't going to follow ANY agreement, and thus any contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
 
jtrain609 said:
I've realized in the last few days that it doesn't matter if we vote this TA in or not, because the company isn't going to follow ANY agreement, and thus any contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
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Hopefully others come to the same realization.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Should I be getting my resume ready?? How long till the F word begins?
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F word being FOCUS ON MEMORY ITEMS AND PROFILES.

Do not worry about any of that until you are off of OE. Getting through training, and building the best toolbox to serve you online should be your only priority.

You can't control it, but you doing top notch on training can get you a look elsewhere if stuff you can't, nor have, control of occurs.

FOCUS!

If you focus now, it'll all fall into place going forward.
 
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