Yes I do. Aye yi yi.
USAirways East Vs West AKA "Why you should never write a judge"
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Yes I do. Aye yi yi.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
20+ 767s and 10+ 330 and a bunch of orders for more buses. At the time I think they had about 10 Europe destinations as well as most of the Caribbean flying.
@Kingairer
I figure AW had 757's, Airbuses and 737s, USAir had a handful of 767's, 757's, 737's and Airbuses.
From a casual observation the only thing that USAirways had going is a small international operation to Europe and, at the time of the merger, it's roughly a merger of equals.
Just like our judge said, you merger the airlines you have, not the airline you were or THINK you are (rough paraphrase of course).
I'm glad he finds pride in his work, but being what the East group has been through after mergers, double-bankruptcies and all of the crap surrounding that, I'm curious why a person with his self-stated credentials and "Sully-like" qualities didn't jump ship to a larger, more stable carrier.
I figure AW had 757's, Airbuses and 737s, USAir had a handful of 767's, 757's, 737's and Airbuses.
From a casual observation the only thing that USAirways had going is a small international operation to Europe and, at the time of the merger, it's roughly a merger of equals.
Just like our judge said, you merger the airlines you have, not the airline you were or THINK you are (rough paraphrase of course).
I'm glad he finds pride in his work, but being what the East group has been through after mergers, double-bankruptcies and all of the crap surrounding that, I'm curious why a person with his self-stated credentials and "Sully-like" qualities didn't jump ship to a larger, more stable carrier.
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CFIscare
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't say that that someone who got furloughed from their mainline airline, recalled to fly for a newly developed "regional" airline operating brand new E-170's (never mind this new "regional" was on the on same certificate as the mainline airline and even used the same callsign) and was subsequently furloughed again after said mainline needed some quick cash and decided to sell these E-170's to an actual regional airline named Republic, a sweetheart deal. Oh, and while these pilots were working at this "division of US Airways" (it even said this on the airplane), the airline they worked for merged with another airline, but because they didn't fly for US Airways (once again, never mind being on the same certificate and using the USAir callsign) they were put below pilots from America West who were on property for less than two weeks. Once again, far from a sweetheart deal.
typhoonpilot
Well-Known Member
Don't get me wrong by this reply. The letter was out of line. One shouldn't try to get ahead by putting down another group, but I will respond with this:
It's not the relative seniority that is in question on the Nicolau award, it is that absolutely no consideration was given to the vastly different retirement rates between the two airlines. The lack of foresight by Nicolau in how the merged lists would subject an entire segment of the list to being F.O.s for the remainder of their career is what has caused a lot of this drama.
If you look at the UAL/CAL integration that mistake was partially rectified because the furloughed UAL pilots received partial credit for their years of service.
typhoonpilot
Well-Known Member
Interesting perspective. I respect you so please don't take this the wrong way. Those routes that were being flown by those jets were pretty much all USAir mainline routes at one time. The growth, even the existence of the J4J carriers, was due almost in total to the fact the mainline was giving the routes to the regionals. That flying, which was at mainline rates of pay with good benefits, then went to the regionals that pay their pilots roughly half the pay and significantly lower benefits.
How about we put the shoe on the other foot and see how it feels?
TP
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Preaching to the choir.
I think not enough anger is pointed toward the negotiating committee who led them down the path of DOH or bust.
Precisely.
If they're the same people working with SLI with American, fire up the Jiffy Pop as it's going to be entertaining.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
It isn't that he finds pride in his work; it is that he is so quick to disparage other's work and qualifications in order to glorify his own.
MC Taylor on the mic......
Seggy
Well-Known Member
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Let's be honest here, though. That Merger Committee was not some rogue group doing their own thing. They were receiving clear direction from their MEC, which was receiving clear direction from their pilot group. They all thought they were entitled to screw over the AWA pilots. The pilots weren't lead astray. The pilots were the ones doing the leading astray.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Did you respond, "lighten up Francis"?
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
But...he seems so nice!
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Is that sorta like "Good goes around...greatness lands on taxiway mike"?
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Trust me, I would have rather flown for mainline rates and days off. It wasn't an option.
Your guys kept reminding we weren't real pilots up until they needed jobs. We asked for a flow in 98, we were told we weren't wholly-owned and we flew props, thus deemed not worthy. All of a sudden your guys needed jobs, and it was cool to come to an airline you wouldn't piss on if it was on fire and you want captain seats. Luckily when the J4J captains showed up, many had attitude that we should thank them.
So they had no problem kicking us instead of offering help. I listened to exactly what you just said for years.
Oddly the US Air pilots were the worst of all the major pilots in their behavior to us. Quite an impression.
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Keep in mind, you were seeing mostly the "bitter PHL FO club" J4Js over at CHQ. Not exactly the best representation of the company.