Someone else has made it to Southern Jets

derg said:
Incorrect. And I think it's more accurate to say "it's silly and annoying for me" as no one else appears to have a problem or are self-aware enough to keep their personal feelings to themselves and let the person in question enjoy a little fanfare.

The people who need to know, already know. It's not because it's a secret cabal and honestly, I should have kept my mouth shut but I'm tremendously happy for him and he needs to know, in the words of the President (then VP): "This is a big effing deal".

Here's the "behind baseball":

While I'm celebrating him getting hired, I have zero idea if someone else on the forum helped him get to where he currently is. So the "welcome to MY" team may be misinterpreted to the person that may have helped him as "My Tribe > Your Tribe" and it's not accurate nor do I want that because we need people across the spectra helping one another achieve their career ambitions and I run the risk of alienating A LOT of people.

Now he's an adult and a professional who has an appreciation for the shout-out, but also an appreciation for discretion so he can make sure his situation is clean and tidy in his professional circles and has the chance to be sure there is no animosity with his colleagues and anyone who helped him.

A personal story, I went to bat for a person a few years ago pretty hard, got them in front of the right people, shook the right hands, lobbied hard to get them scheduled for an interview and they got the job. Indoc went well, training went well, IOE started and then I straight-up got "ghosted" for about six months after IOE. Then on social media I found out that they had just finished indoc at another airline and didn't think it was important to say "I took another opportunity" or even acknowledge the efforts I went through to make sure they had an opportunity at my airline.

Congratulations are in order for our friend, but if I'm not careful with it, it may be a slap in the face of someone else who helped him. Anonymity provides that ability for him to steer any potential conversations he needs to have with timing that he decides.
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It’s pathetic that you have to explain this after 25 years or however long this community has been around.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
There's a pretty long history here of "congrats to anonymous for now," but someone might want not want to be named until they are done with training/moving/whatever first. Superstition? Humility? Does it matter? Their friends probably/certainly know. Whatever, be happy for them. None of us are friends with everyone.

But anyway, just for you -- I've decided to give up my "tech bro" silicon valley life and fly aviation appliances. And I'll make a public post here with where I'm flying, how I am doing in training events I fear completing, and how it turns my life upside down. Do I want to share that? Of course not. Does it change my life telling everyone? Not really. When I write about those experiences here, will you say it is pointless? Probably. Or not, I hope I'm wrong.
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Congrats on the decision to change careers. I'm in the middle of it now, CFIing my way to 1500. Best of luck.
 
Tell me, what is your purpose in the thread to begin with beyond how annoyed you and CC are that I gave the poster a professional courtesy by not giving his name, like its even germane to the conversation.

It's starting to come off as animosity and jealousy of those that are still in aviation because you're rarely (ever?) congratulatory of successes or even mildly uplifting when we have struggles. Just that everyone is constantly wrong and that you have opinions and not everything is about you… or even me and I started the website.

So you're not so angry and annoyed, the persons name is Captain David Pratman. He's honorably discharged from the Air Force, a helluva good stick, super smooth with the ladies and loves his Miata.
 
derg said:
Tell me, what is your purpose in the thread to begin with
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That’s cute. You create a thread and then get mad when people post in it in a way you don’t like. You’ve taken on a bit of a dictatorial persona.

derg said:
It's starting to come off as animosity and jealousy of those that are still in aviation because you're rarely (ever?) congratulatory of successes
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Simply not accurate. I’m quick to congratulate anyone…who actually comes forward to announce their good fortune. I think the “secret JC insider club” just reflects poorly on you, though. You’ll dismiss that opinion, of course. Which is fine.
 
Uhh, sorry I disappointed you or something? :)

So again, what's your point? You feel left out? Ok, I'll break out the Apple Pencil and draw you a diagram of the actual social network of Jetcareers. BRB.
 
derg said:
Uhh, sorry I disappointed you or something? :)

So again, what's your point? You feel left out? Ok, I'll break out the Apple Pencil and draw you a diagram of the actual social network of Jetcareers. BRB.
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I made my point. You’ve ignored it, as expected, and that’s fine. Have a good Zombie Jesus day.
 
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derg said:
Uhh, sorry I disappointed you or something? :)

So again, what's your point? You feel left out? Ok, I'll break out the Apple Pencil and draw you a diagram of the actual social network of Jetcareers. BRB.
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I always wanted to be in a secret society. O' Captain my Captain.
 
Alright, here's my "Inner Circle" explainer diagram. How to get into it and out to be rejected out of it. I threw it all together on my couch and no, I didn't consider all the combinations and permutations of it.

Enjoy. Or not. :)

Here is the secret sauce… and directions on how to do it. But yet another reason why I thought it was important for the past almost three decades to get to a NetworkJC, various meet and greets or even the weekend Zoom happy hour to get to know one another in person because the more intersections you're in, the more you have professional and social opportunities and can provide and receive personal and career help.

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derg said:
Alright, here's my "Inner Circle" explainer diagram. How to get into it and out to be rejected out of it. I threw it all together on my couch and no, I didn't consider all the combinations and permutations of it.

Enjoy. Or not. :)

Here is the secret sauce… and directions on how to do it. But yet another reason why I thought it was important for the past almost three decades to get to a NetworkJC, various meet and greets or even the weekend Zoom happy hour to get to know one another in person because the more intersections you're in, the more you have professional and social opportunities and can provide and receive personal and career help.

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Best diagram I have seen in a while.
 
ASpilot2be said:
Best diagram I have seen in a while.
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Thank you! :)

So if a user is complaining about not knowing what an inside joke means or "INNNAAA CIRCOOOO!" well, there's where they fall into the social spectrum and the hacks on how to move in and out of it.

I did leave out people I'm still IRL friends with that I booted off the forum or booted off my Facebook "friends" list because I chose to keep their friendship without having to constantly hear their politi-kink on FB or they didn't know what enough was enough on the forums. The diagram still needs a lot of work.
 
derg said:
Alright, here's my "Inner Circle" explainer diagram. How to get into it and out to be rejected out of it. I threw it all together on my couch and no, I didn't consider all the combinations and permutations of it.

Enjoy. Or not. :)

Here is the secret sauce… and directions on how to do it. But yet another reason why I thought it was important for the past almost three decades to get to a NetworkJC, various meet and greets or even the weekend Zoom happy hour to get to know one another in person because the more intersections you're in, the more you have professional and social opportunities and can provide and receive personal and career help.

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Omfg
 
For version 1.1 I recommend another circle that depicts the less-public networking. E.g, group texts, conversations in the lounge, volunteer events, etc. It feels weird to (over)analyze it, but those are also valued venues for networking with people where the social part is ancillary to some other common purpose. Because you generally gotta have a reason to be there or be invited it can seem clannish to people who haven't figured out how where they fit.

Also this week is the centenary of John Venn's passing.

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Now and Venn - Frank McNally on famous cryptographers, Venn diagrams, and equestrian dramatics

Overlapping circles
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