Say what you will, Jerry never did this…

[Autothrust Blue]

Meh, I’d rather “any traffic plz advise” than not. Help prevent a midair.

What if — and I know this sounds crazy — but what if everyone was making the AIM-recommended calls already and you just shut up and listened on CTAF instead of clogging up the airwaves with something that manual literally says not to use, verbatim?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Because the AIM explicitly tells you not to use it, that’s why.

Aeronautical Information Manual section 4-1-9(g)(1) states:

“Pilots stating traffic in the area, ‘please advise’ is not a recognized self-announce position and/or intention phrase and should not be used under any conditions.”

Bottom line, it’s wrong

Fair enough. How about a “how’s it going out there guys?” After the initial call




I don’t trust GArpies. Some of them aren’t even required to have radios depending on where they are. And some don’t broadcast on CTAF.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

What if — and I know this sounds crazy — but what if everyone was making the AIM-recommended calls already and you just shut up and listened on CTAF instead of clogging up the airwaves with something that manual literally says not to use, verbatim?

See above. Your unicorns might exist in the best of circumstances. I try to operate assuming I’m dealing with the lowest common denominator when it comes to other planes. Don’t assume anything.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

See above. Your unicorns might exist in the best of circumstances. I try to operate assuming I’m dealing with the lowest common denominator when it comes to other planes. Don’t assume anything.

I mean, "all pilots are crap until they demonstrate otherwise" isn't a bad defensive flying strategy and it is one I employ on a regular basis, but in this case, broadcasting that phrase equates to being a crappy pilot, etc.

"Any traffic please advise" just chews up airtime that could be used for "Bublefrak traffic, Legacy twenty-one-thirty-five, right downwind runway three five, Bumblefrak," which is why the AIM specifically says to not use it. That traffic is already happily advising you; all you really have to do is tune CTAF and listen.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I mean, "all pilots are crap until they demonstrate otherwise" isn't a bad defensive flying strategy and it is one I employ on a regular basis, but in this case, broadcasting that phrase equates to being a crappy pilot, etc.

"Any traffic please advise" just chews up airtime that could be used for "Bublefrak traffic, Legacy twenty-one-thirty-five, right downwind runway three five, Bumblefrak," which is why the AIM specifically says to not use it. That traffic is already happily advising you; all you really have to do is tune CTAF and listen.

Assuming they’re talking.


If current procedures worked, we’d never have midair’s. There have been far too many collisions in the pattern.


I, for one, am glad I don’t do any non-towered ops anymore. *and even a tower is no guarantee of a collision free environment. See San Diego brown field IAI jet and a Cessna.