Say what you will, Jerry never did this…

SurferLucas said:
Because the AIM explicitly tells you not to use it, that’s why.

Aeronautical Information Manual section 4-1-9(g)(1) states:

“Pilots stating traffic in the area, ‘please advise’ is not a recognized self-announce position and/or intention phrase and should not be used under any conditions.”

Bottom line, it’s wrong
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Fair enough. How about a “how’s it going out there guys?” After the initial call ;)




I don’t trust GArpies. Some of them aren’t even required to have radios depending on where they are. And some don’t broadcast on CTAF.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
What if — and I know this sounds crazy — but what if everyone was making the AIM-recommended calls already and you just shut up and listened on CTAF instead of clogging up the airwaves with something that manual literally says not to use, verbatim?
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See above. Your unicorns might exist in the best of circumstances. I try to operate assuming I’m dealing with the lowest common denominator when it comes to other planes. Don’t assume anything.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
See above. Your unicorns might exist in the best of circumstances. I try to operate assuming I’m dealing with the lowest common denominator when it comes to other planes. Don’t assume anything.
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I mean, "all pilots are crap until they demonstrate otherwise" isn't a bad defensive flying strategy and it is one I employ on a regular basis, but in this case, broadcasting that phrase equates to being a crappy pilot, etc.

"Any traffic please advise" just chews up airtime that could be used for "Bublefrak traffic, Legacy twenty-one-thirty-five, right downwind runway three five, Bumblefrak," which is why the AIM specifically says to not use it. That traffic is already happily advising you; all you really have to do is tune CTAF and listen.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I mean, "all pilots are crap until they demonstrate otherwise" isn't a bad defensive flying strategy and it is one I employ on a regular basis, but in this case, broadcasting that phrase equates to being a crappy pilot, etc.

"Any traffic please advise" just chews up airtime that could be used for "Bublefrak traffic, Legacy twenty-one-thirty-five, right downwind runway three five, Bumblefrak," which is why the AIM specifically says to not use it. That traffic is already happily advising you; all you really have to do is tune CTAF and listen.
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Assuming they’re talking.


If current procedures worked, we’d never have midair’s. There have been far too many collisions in the pattern.


I, for one, am glad I don’t do any non-towered ops anymore. *and even a tower is no guarantee of a collision free environment. See San Diego brown field IAI jet and a Cessna.
 
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