PSA New Hire Questions

cybourg12 said:
Most junior captain in the Feb 10 upgrade class was hired in June 2014......upgrade time is falling fast.
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what are the requirements for upgrade? guessing he had prior 121...out of curiosity how many were bypassed?
 
cybourg12 said:
Most junior captain in the Feb 10 upgrade class was hired in June 2014......upgrade time is falling fast.
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I'm pretty sure it was August... Making it a 6 month upgrade. I could be mistaken though. 16 CA vacancies were announced as well with 8 of those in CLT. But what that means is that upgrade times are actually decreasing for those with the 1,000 121 already... Not increasing as some would have you believe. Good news for those interested in jumping ship from other stagnant regionals. Hiring and quick upgradades will continue for the foreseeable future. Especially when the SSP is adjusted here soon and more go to American off the top.
 
It wasn't August, the junior captain award went to a guy in the June 9 class. Yes all of these people getting an upgrade award most likely had at least 1000 hours 121 SIC prior to joining PSA.
 
pwa said:
They need 1000 hrs of sic from either 121/135 or certain type of 91 flying
(someone correct me on those)
I think 25-35 senior to me
are bypassing till they can hold a line.
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This is close, but the 1000 SIC only applies to 121 time. So, all 91/135/Military time does not count towards the 1000 SIC requirement to upgrade. PSA will be taking on 2-3 a month through December 2016. The options for 40 CRJ 900's are just that; options. These options may materialize down the road but there is still a massive amount of hiring to do for the 47 CRJ 700's that will begin arriving this summer. Upgrade for prior 121 folks is 8-10 months currently. It will easily stay that way through 2015 and 2016. Beyond that is anyone's guess at this point.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Us military. Public education. Other than pave, protect or print projects, I don't think any of them make money. They are investments for different reasons that have a long or negligible roi.

Now amtrack and a national airline might be investments we won't need or want. But government wasn't started up to make money. It's when the majority of humans said "we outnumber you, you work for us now". They became citizens at that point. And citizens and the republic that represents them said things like, we want to attack this country for attacking us, but we aren't going to seize their land and natural resources and sell them to make money. Nor did they say public education is going to provide a service and value and we should charge for it.

Im not saying renationalize, im saying if they did I would love it and I'd benefit greatly.
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I have no idea what you just said, but I daresay that while you might love it, I don't think you'd benefit. Amtrak is a model of government interference. Unprofitable, inefficient, and expensive. It's been shrinking for years. I think if he had a nationalized airline industry, we wouldn't have an airline industry; not worthy of speaking of, anyway.

Don't get me wrong. I love Amtrak. I loved riding it. But I haven't in over 20 years because it costs too much, doesn't go where I want to go, and takes too long to get there (due to inefficiency, not speed).
 
Government interference would be the government lowering the ATP requirements to accommodate incompetence of the airlines.

Free market...if there is a shortage, they need to raise the wages to attract more. Period.

All that lowering requirements will do is drag the industry down even more.
 
Phil Schuyler said:
I have no idea what you just said, but I daresay that while you might love it, I don't think you'd benefit. Amtrak is a model of government interference. Unprofitable, inefficient, and expensive. It's been shrinking for years. I think if he had a nationalized airline industry, we wouldn't have an airline industry; not worthy of speaking of, anyway.

Don't get me wrong. I love Amtrak. I loved riding it. But I haven't in over 20 years because it costs too much, doesn't go where I want to go, and takes too long to get there (due to inefficiency, not speed).
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Costs too much???

One way from Ann Arbor MI to LA CA, $183.60. You have the privilege of spending 51 hours and 39 minutes of your life getting there.

DTW-LAX will get you there as low as $239 for just a seat on Spirit, or for $724 on Delta.

If you were still paying 1980s prices for these tickets, there is not even a comparison.

Travel is not a right, it's a privilege that money can buy. So instead of complaining about prices, stick with your affordability (see: thread on expensive crap I can't afford). Also, it's not because people make good money.

You complain that companies go out of business for exhorbitent salaries (incorrectly in your case), and seem to conveniently forget many high powered high paying career fields whose services you cannot afford: think lawyers, think computer security vulnerability analysts.

A buddy of mine made more in a bonus than I got in gross pay in a year. Did he deserve it, heck yeah. Is he overpaid? Heck no!
 
Doogi said:
This is close, but the 1000 SIC only applies to 121 time. So, all 91/135/Military time does not count towards the 1000 SIC requirement to upgrade. PSA will be taking on 2-3 a month through December 2016. The options for 40 CRJ 900's are just that; options. These options may materialize down the road but there is still a massive amount of hiring to do for the 47 CRJ 700's that will begin arriving this summer. Upgrade for prior 121 folks is 8-10 months currently. It will easily stay that way through 2015 and 2016. Beyond that is anyone's guess at this point.
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I was incorrect. Up to 500 hours of military flight time and specific 135 time can be counted towards the 1000 SIC requirement.

Per 121.436(c) You may count up to 500 hours of time accumulated as the aircraft commander in a multiengine, turbine powered, fixed wing aircraft requiring more than one pilot.

FAR Part 135.243(a)(1) PIC time
To apply 135 PIC time toward upgrade, you must have been serving as the PIC, in a passenger carrying operation, in a turbojet airplane with 10 or more passenger seats (Must be passenger seats. Do not count crewmember seats). Any other 135 PIC time does not count toward upgrade requirements.

Hope this clears up any confusion.
 
Doogi said:
I was incorrect. Up to 500 hours of military flight time and specific 135 time can be counted towards the 1000 SIC requirement.

Per 121.436(c) You may count up to 500 hours of time accumulated as the aircraft commander in a multiengine, turbine powered, fixed wing aircraft requiring more than one pilot.

FAR Part 135.243(a)(1) PIC time
To apply 135 PIC time toward upgrade, you must have been serving as the PIC, in a passenger carrying operation, in a turbojet airplane with 10 or more passenger seats (Must be passenger seats. Do not count crewmember seats). Any other 135 PIC time does not count toward upgrade requirements.

Hope this clears up any confusion.
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Close.

Actually 135.243 says PIC of a turbojet OR a multi engine AC with 10 pax seats or more OR a multi engine scheduled commuter.
 
I've heard ORD, and the additional 47 planes they had options for, not a clue how they're gonna staff if any of it is true, guess we'll find out.
 
Soku39 said:
I've heard ORD, and the additional 47 planes they had options for, not a clue how they're gonna staff if any of it is true, guess we'll find out.
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They will staff because they will be offering 6 month upgrades and continuous hiring through 2016 of the new aircraft are announced. I'd even wager street captains may be a future possibility.
 
chrisreedrules said:
They will staff because they will be offering 6 month upgrades and continuous hiring through 2016 of the new aircraft are announced. I'd even wager street captains may be a future possibility.
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I was told (i.e. did not verify on my own) that if they hire street captains that FOs flying with them would be required to be paid the same rate. Given this is a company saying they need -4 net reserves to screw with SAP I doubt they would hire street captains. They'll hire people into the right seat and they will immediately go to upgrade on their first perm bid, or whatever they call seat/base bids at PSA.
 
Soku39 said:
I was told (i.e. did not verify on my own) that if they hire street captains that FOs flying with them would be required to be paid the same rate. Given this is a company saying they need -4 net reserves to screw with SAP I doubt they would hire street captains. They'll hire people into the right seat and they will immediately go to upgrade on their first perm bid, or whatever they call seat/base bids at PSA.
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Well... As it sits now, a new hire FO with the prior 121 experience required will upgrade in about 6 to 8 months. It is currently taking about 4 months from initial training date to get through ioe (this will be be dropping a bit soon with more line check airman finishing training soon). So that is basically 2 to 4 months between ioe and upgrade. That time will continue to decrease and when it decreases to the point that there is only a brief period between initial training and upgrade, the company will probably consider direct entry captains. January announcements included a June 2014 hire in the upgrades. That will continue to drop. Going to be a crazy year at PSA, the hiring wave isn't over and anyone looking to jumpstart or further their career still has plenty of time if they want to come here.
 
I don't believe we will see street captains or anything lower than 6-8 month upgrades. Once the new hires in the first quarter from 2014 get their time, most will upgrade, alleviating the mass amounts being bypassed and then continuing on in succession. Most classes in the first half of 2014 had 15-20 pilots make it through, so 30-40 a month, and upgrades are 20-30 pilots per month.
 
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