flyinghedgehog
Well-Known Member
Pilots,
I have a job offer that I may not accept due to legality issues (rest period, on call schedule). I am yet to confirm with the operator about how they handle this. I have spoken with a couple of their pilots and was told that there is no day off where they can turn off their phone and go do whatever. They have to answer the phone when called. If they want to have a beer they just text the scheduler to let him/her know. So I supposed how they go into or out of rest is arranged casually or not at all.
Before you go off the handle, I want to let you know that I understand the FAA office of chief counsel's interpretation. Rest period must be 1) continuous 2) determined prospectively (so you can't just do the look back deal) 3)free from all restraint by certificate holder. So 24/7 on call= no legal rest period
My mentor (UPS captain , a real deal freight dog who has done all kinds of stuff prior to UPS) said you have to play the game and he would be more interested in whether the airplanes are well-maintained, and whether the schedule end up being too fatiguing. At this ops the planes are in really good shape and you end up having at least 2 days a week where there is nothing on the schedule. I respect his opinion but I am not sure if I could play the game so to speak.
So the question is, if I have to back out of this deal (and there is a real possibility that this may happen)
1) IS THERE ANY PART 135 OPERATOR WHO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO DO STUFF BY THE BOOK? Am I looking for a unicorn here??? What I am concerned about is that I will end up backing out of this deal, only to find similar outfits who do the same s***. If you have any operators you would recommend please go ahead and do so, out here or via PM, up to you.
2) Who here can say that in their entire career they have never KNOWINGLY break regulations? A lot us have signed up to work for some dirtbag operators or fly questionable airplanes in questionable weather. I said KNOWINGLY because if you did not know any better then it is different. My goal is to be by the book as much as I can, but I am no longer certain that is possible. These days it seems that if you are still kinda sorta low hour you have to compromise yourself.
I understand that things are not black and white and there are times when we do our best to go by the book but end up fudging it. I want to find out more about how things work in the real world so please answer away.
I myself have never knowingly break regulations and intend to keep it that way.... This job seems to be a viable option since there is no training contract but if the rest period is not legall then it is not.
Maybe I should go find a no string attached piston job.....
I have a job offer that I may not accept due to legality issues (rest period, on call schedule). I am yet to confirm with the operator about how they handle this. I have spoken with a couple of their pilots and was told that there is no day off where they can turn off their phone and go do whatever. They have to answer the phone when called. If they want to have a beer they just text the scheduler to let him/her know. So I supposed how they go into or out of rest is arranged casually or not at all.
Before you go off the handle, I want to let you know that I understand the FAA office of chief counsel's interpretation. Rest period must be 1) continuous 2) determined prospectively (so you can't just do the look back deal) 3)free from all restraint by certificate holder. So 24/7 on call= no legal rest period
My mentor (UPS captain , a real deal freight dog who has done all kinds of stuff prior to UPS) said you have to play the game and he would be more interested in whether the airplanes are well-maintained, and whether the schedule end up being too fatiguing. At this ops the planes are in really good shape and you end up having at least 2 days a week where there is nothing on the schedule. I respect his opinion but I am not sure if I could play the game so to speak.
So the question is, if I have to back out of this deal (and there is a real possibility that this may happen)
1) IS THERE ANY PART 135 OPERATOR WHO AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO DO STUFF BY THE BOOK? Am I looking for a unicorn here??? What I am concerned about is that I will end up backing out of this deal, only to find similar outfits who do the same s***. If you have any operators you would recommend please go ahead and do so, out here or via PM, up to you.
2) Who here can say that in their entire career they have never KNOWINGLY break regulations? A lot us have signed up to work for some dirtbag operators or fly questionable airplanes in questionable weather. I said KNOWINGLY because if you did not know any better then it is different. My goal is to be by the book as much as I can, but I am no longer certain that is possible. These days it seems that if you are still kinda sorta low hour you have to compromise yourself.
I understand that things are not black and white and there are times when we do our best to go by the book but end up fudging it. I want to find out more about how things work in the real world so please answer away.
I myself have never knowingly break regulations and intend to keep it that way.... This job seems to be a viable option since there is no training contract but if the rest period is not legall then it is not.
Maybe I should go find a no string attached piston job.....
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