juxtapilot
Snowflake
Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
In the paper this morning...
In the paper this morning...
Northwest Overshoot / Cert Action....
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CBpilot
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Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
I am sorry if I am out of my lane because I am not a commercial pilot but these guys made a mistake that in different times would be a two day event not 3 days of headline news. The media outlets want to hang the airlines for every little thing they do, from lost baggage to pilot error. John Q public eats it up because they also hate the airlines because the big bag airlines are revenue generating machines that charge passengers for every little thing like fuel surcharges and extra long seatbelts for fat people.
Mr John Q public wants to hang these two guys for an error, that although bad, did not lead to any harm. The same people that want to hang these guys probably drive down the freeway at rush hour going 100MPH on their cell phone and reading the morning paper.
I am on an airplane 3 days week traveling for work and I see the hard working people that make the airlines work (the ground crew, pilots, and flight attendants). At some point everyone makes a mistake at their job. Suspend the pilots for a month with out pay and make them do recurrent training.
Sorry for the rant but I am of the mentality that flying is a privelage and not a right. My Dad always talks about the glory days of commerical airlines travel when people dressed up to get on planes. I wish they would bring those back so I could experience them.
Rant over.
I am sorry if I am out of my lane because I am not a commercial pilot but these guys made a mistake that in different times would be a two day event not 3 days of headline news. The media outlets want to hang the airlines for every little thing they do, from lost baggage to pilot error. John Q public eats it up because they also hate the airlines because the big bag airlines are revenue generating machines that charge passengers for every little thing like fuel surcharges and extra long seatbelts for fat people.
Mr John Q public wants to hang these two guys for an error, that although bad, did not lead to any harm. The same people that want to hang these guys probably drive down the freeway at rush hour going 100MPH on their cell phone and reading the morning paper.
I am on an airplane 3 days week traveling for work and I see the hard working people that make the airlines work (the ground crew, pilots, and flight attendants). At some point everyone makes a mistake at their job. Suspend the pilots for a month with out pay and make them do recurrent training.
Sorry for the rant but I am of the mentality that flying is a privelage and not a right. My Dad always talks about the glory days of commerical airlines travel when people dressed up to get on planes. I wish they would bring those back so I could experience them.
Rant over.
GatorFC
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tonyw
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Northwest Overshoot Pilots Lose Ticket
The FAA isn't playing around.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125667787989311361.html?mod=rss_US_News
In its emergency revocation, which is effective immediately, the Federal Aviation Administration said the veteran pilots, Capt. Timothy B. Cheney and first officer Richard Cole, violated a number of regulations and operated the aircraft in a careless manner.
The FAA isn't playing around.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125667787989311361.html?mod=rss_US_News
In its emergency revocation, which is effective immediately, the Federal Aviation Administration said the veteran pilots, Capt. Timothy B. Cheney and first officer Richard Cole, violated a number of regulations and operated the aircraft in a careless manner.
Baronpilot244
Killick Stoker
Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
Would filing a NASA form have helped in this case? Just curious.
I wonder if they did - if so will that come out in the appeal?
I suppose whatever happens now they're pretty screwed - its almost like first we have Sully who makes the profession look great then the media has to go all out to prove otherwise and presto - along come these two clowns.
The sad part is that these guys are probably excellent pilots who just made a silly mistake - shoot they got this far without hurting anyone or getting killed, they must have done something right.
Another question for the Airline guys - isn't there an insurance similar to a Doctor. Something like a loss of license insurance? I thought I heard of this sometime ago, maybe I dreamt it!
BP244
Would filing a NASA form have helped in this case? Just curious.
I wonder if they did - if so will that come out in the appeal?
I suppose whatever happens now they're pretty screwed - its almost like first we have Sully who makes the profession look great then the media has to go all out to prove otherwise and presto - along come these two clowns.
The sad part is that these guys are probably excellent pilots who just made a silly mistake - shoot they got this far without hurting anyone or getting killed, they must have done something right.
Another question for the Airline guys - isn't there an insurance similar to a Doctor. Something like a loss of license insurance? I thought I heard of this sometime ago, maybe I dreamt it!
BP244
Dazzler
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Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
That's too bad. Does that mean they have to go back and get each and ever certificate again, starting from Private?
MSNBC is saying both pilots' license are revoked by FAA.
That's too bad. Does that mean they have to go back and get each and ever certificate again, starting from Private?
mpenguin1
Well-Known Member
Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
Perfect reason to carry loss of license insurance......
MSNBC is saying both pilots' license are revoked by FAA.
Perfect reason to carry loss of license insurance......
Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
-mini
That's actually a little funny. Just a little. Very clever though.In the paper this morning...
-mini
Re: DeltaWest Overshoots Destination....
I can potentially see a suspension, but a revocation sounds a little politically motivated.
However, if we weren't under a 24-hour a day news cycle with the Wolfs, the Shepards, the Brewers, would this even be a, oh GOD pardon the pun, a blip on the radar screen?
I can potentially see a suspension, but a revocation sounds a little politically motivated.
However, if we weren't under a 24-hour a day news cycle with the Wolfs, the Shepards, the Brewers, would this even be a, oh GOD pardon the pun, a blip on the radar screen?
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Re: Northwest Overshoot Pilots Lose Ticket
If things went down as the report says, those guys deserve to have their tickets revoked. They completely neglected all flight duties for almost an hour and a half! That is unacceptable.
Don't do stupid stuff!
I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, and innocent until proven guilty, but these guys admitted to this... I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around how they could do that, I really am.
If things went down as the report says, those guys deserve to have their tickets revoked. They completely neglected all flight duties for almost an hour and a half! That is unacceptable.
Don't do stupid stuff!
I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, and innocent until proven guilty, but these guys admitted to this... I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around how they could do that, I really am.
Qgar
New Member
Re: Northwest Overshoot Pilots Lose Ticket
Agreed! I'm incredulous that not just one, but BOTH of them losing all SA. It just doesn't seem possible. Well, you know what they say, truth is stranger than fiction. On some level I feel terribly sad for them...all those years and tens of thousands of hours GONE. I hate to sound dramatic, but I hope they can live with this and find some peace within themselves.
Agreed! I'm incredulous that not just one, but BOTH of them losing all SA. It just doesn't seem possible. Well, you know what they say, truth is stranger than fiction. On some level I feel terribly sad for them...all those years and tens of thousands of hours GONE. I hate to sound dramatic, but I hope they can live with this and find some peace within themselves.
tonyw
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Re: Northwest Overshoot Pilots Lose Ticket
:yeahthat:
Everyone makes mistakes. But they ADMIT to blowing off flying in order to fiddle around with a scheduling program.
Well, at least they won't have to worry about that scheduling program anymore.
And speaking of doing something stupid, what they should have done is SHUT THE HELL UP! They were in hot water, they shouldn't have given anyone anything to use to push them under. By opening their mouths, they hung themselves.
The only thing they should have said in response to media questions was "no comment."
:yeahthat:
Everyone makes mistakes. But they ADMIT to blowing off flying in order to fiddle around with a scheduling program.
Well, at least they won't have to worry about that scheduling program anymore.
And speaking of doing something stupid, what they should have done is SHUT THE HELL UP! They were in hot water, they shouldn't have given anyone anything to use to push them under. By opening their mouths, they hung themselves.
The only thing they should have said in response to media questions was "no comment."
Re: Northwest Overshoot Pilots Lose Ticket
When your certs are revoked, as opposed to "suspended", they are GONE. It's like they never existed. If you want to fly again after having your certs revoked you have to completely start over. Pass all your writtens, pass all the checkrides, build up hours, etc.
When your certs are revoked, as opposed to "suspended", they are GONE. It's like they never existed. If you want to fly again after having your certs revoked you have to completely start over. Pass all your writtens, pass all the checkrides, build up hours, etc.
Re: Northwest Overshoot Pilots Lose Ticket
. . .which makes me wonder why, after this initial investigation, they were not suspended?
. . .which makes me wonder why, after this initial investigation, they were not suspended?