skatergeek
Beet Farmer
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
Not likely, but it is possible. We do have to do NDB approaches to mins sometimes.
Not likely, but it is possible. We do have to do NDB approaches to mins sometimes.
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skatergeek
Beet Farmer
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
They used to give you a piece of paper with a bunch of reg numbers and thats it. That indoc packet they hand out now is actually pretty good. As for the PA31 stuff, I think they do it midway through indoc, but it could be on day one. The Dir of Tng told me they switched to that cause people were just blowing off the indoc stuff.
They used to give you a piece of paper with a bunch of reg numbers and thats it. That indoc packet they hand out now is actually pretty good. As for the PA31 stuff, I think they do it midway through indoc, but it could be on day one. The Dir of Tng told me they switched to that cause people were just blowing off the indoc stuff.
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
I didn't have to do one in my interview/sim. I don't even think I've practiced one since getting my IFR ticket in 2001. There are hardly any left.
I guess... plus you get to rock out to the identifier the whole way in.
Like, in actual IFR?? If that's the case, where are you flying to that still has an NDB approach and that approach can get you appreciably closer to the runway? I always remember thinking they weren't very useful in a lot of IFR situations.
Thanks. But I'll tell ya, I'm already having bad dreams about showing up to Burbank and not being prepared at all. I used to have similar dreams in college about showing up to finals late and/or dumbfounded.
I didn't have to do one in my interview/sim. I don't even think I've practiced one since getting my IFR ticket in 2001. There are hardly any left.
I guess... plus you get to rock out to the identifier the whole way in.
Like, in actual IFR?? If that's the case, where are you flying to that still has an NDB approach and that approach can get you appreciably closer to the runway? I always remember thinking they weren't very useful in a lot of IFR situations.
Thanks. But I'll tell ya, I'm already having bad dreams about showing up to Burbank and not being prepared at all. I used to have similar dreams in college about showing up to finals late and/or dumbfounded.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
There are some airports that we go into that only have an NDB and GPS approach. The problem is that a lot of people are not GPS qualified and not all aircraft have a GPS.
You will be fine in Indoc, trust me. Just study the packet now and then study flows and systems during Indoc and you should be fine for all of training.
And a tip. Go to the Yahoo building cafeteria for lunch. Cheap food that isn't bad.
There are some airports that we go into that only have an NDB and GPS approach. The problem is that a lot of people are not GPS qualified and not all aircraft have a GPS.
You will be fine in Indoc, trust me. Just study the packet now and then study flows and systems during Indoc and you should be fine for all of training.
And a tip. Go to the Yahoo building cafeteria for lunch. Cheap food that isn't bad.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
I am the same way. And I showed up to INDOC feeling the same exact way. Just study what they give you. Really read and reread that pre indoc briefing packet as best you can. I dont think they give you the flows before INDOC but if they do. start getting the flows now. You will most likely be handed that stuff on a Friday, then start practicing on cardboard mockups on Monday/Tuesday. Wednesday sims start. Study the flows until you can do them without even thinking. Then study them a crapload more. Really understand it, be able to close your eyes and move your hand across to each spot and know whats there, and what you need to do for that particular phase of flight.
I studied flows until I was blue in the face, and would still hang up under pressure. I had to study even further to really get them down solid.
I am the same way. And I showed up to INDOC feeling the same exact way. Just study what they give you. Really read and reread that pre indoc briefing packet as best you can. I dont think they give you the flows before INDOC but if they do. start getting the flows now. You will most likely be handed that stuff on a Friday, then start practicing on cardboard mockups on Monday/Tuesday. Wednesday sims start. Study the flows until you can do them without even thinking. Then study them a crapload more. Really understand it, be able to close your eyes and move your hand across to each spot and know whats there, and what you need to do for that particular phase of flight.
I studied flows until I was blue in the face, and would still hang up under pressure. I had to study even further to really get them down solid.
flyboy6585
Well-Known Member
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
Responding to the emphsized portions.
There are a lot of NDBs still out there, granted everyday GPS is coming to airports like those, but most of AMF's airplanes do not have GPS. And even if the plane you are flying is GPS equipped there is a very good chance that you are only approved for enroute / departure / arrival operations and not approaches due not taking your check in a GPS equipped aircraft.
The approach into Siskyou, CA is NDB/GPS only, done that approach a few dozen times in a PA31...best part is that you don't land at that airport, but cancel and go VFR to the airport next door if the weather will legally allow it.
The approach to Vernon, TX is NDB/GPS only, done that approach a dozen times in a BE99...
The Caribbean is filled with them, done several NDB approaches in the 99 and one in the Metro...
NDBs aren't a thing of the past, they are simply old technology that is slowly getting replaced. The vast majority of the rest of the world is still using them religiously for enroute and approach operations.
Also, you will do DME arcs at AMF in IMC as well
, oh the terror! 
Responding to the emphsized portions.
There are a lot of NDBs still out there, granted everyday GPS is coming to airports like those, but most of AMF's airplanes do not have GPS. And even if the plane you are flying is GPS equipped there is a very good chance that you are only approved for enroute / departure / arrival operations and not approaches due not taking your check in a GPS equipped aircraft.
The approach into Siskyou, CA is NDB/GPS only, done that approach a few dozen times in a PA31...best part is that you don't land at that airport, but cancel and go VFR to the airport next door if the weather will legally allow it.
The approach to Vernon, TX is NDB/GPS only, done that approach a dozen times in a BE99...
The Caribbean is filled with them, done several NDB approaches in the 99 and one in the Metro...
NDBs aren't a thing of the past, they are simply old technology that is slowly getting replaced. The vast majority of the rest of the world is still using them religiously for enroute and approach operations.
Also, you will do DME arcs at AMF in IMC as well
, oh the terror!
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
I've never had an issue with arcs. Done one or two in actual. Dunno, maybe trying it in the Navajo will scramble my brains....
It's interesting to see Amflight's relatively slow/late embrace of the GPS. Seems affordable enough these days and you can't put a price on that kind of SA, not to mention the theoretical fuels savings of going direct when it's available.
Also, you will do DME arcs at AMF in IMC as well
I've never had an issue with arcs. Done one or two in actual. Dunno, maybe trying it in the Navajo will scramble my brains....
It's interesting to see Amflight's relatively slow/late embrace of the GPS. Seems affordable enough these days and you can't put a price on that kind of SA, not to mention the theoretical fuels savings of going direct when it's available.
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
Lol!
Thanks for the info. Do you guys have HSIs and RMIs? If so, NDB approaches and DME arcs should be no-brainers. Anyway, sounds like great flying.
Lol!
Responding to the emphsized portions.
There are a lot of NDBs still out there, granted everyday GPS is coming to airports like those, but most of AMF's airplanes do not have GPS. And even if the plane you are flying is GPS equipped there is a very good chance that you are only approved for enroute / departure / arrival operations and not approaches due not taking your check in a GPS equipped aircraft.
The approach into Siskyou, CA is NDB/GPS only, done that approach a few dozen times in a PA31...best part is that you don't land at that airport, but cancel and go VFR to the airport next door if the weather will legally allow it.
The approach to Vernon, TX is NDB/GPS only, done that approach a dozen times in a BE99...
The Caribbean is filled with them, done several NDB approaches in the 99 and one in the Metro...
NDBs aren't a thing of the past, they are simply old technology that is slowly getting replaced. The vast majority of the rest of the world is still using them religiously for enroute and approach operations.
Also, you will do DME arcs at AMF in IMC as well
Thanks for the info. Do you guys have HSIs and RMIs? If so, NDB approaches and DME arcs should be no-brainers. Anyway, sounds like great flying.
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
135 cross country times
More questions!
The pre-indoc packet says we need to bring total logbook times (duh) but also including point to point cross country time. Is this considered any flight that you land at a destination different from your departure airport regardless of distance? Using the standard 50NM rule plus the ATP change after I got that, I have over 1100 hours of x-country time right now. Do I need to go back through the logbooks and add up every flight where I landed at different airport than I departed from? Seems excessive...
More questions!
The pre-indoc packet says we need to bring total logbook times (duh) but also including point to point cross country time. Is this considered any flight that you land at a destination different from your departure airport regardless of distance? Using the standard 50NM rule plus the ATP change after I got that, I have over 1100 hours of x-country time right now. Do I need to go back through the logbooks and add up every flight where I landed at different airport than I departed from? Seems excessive...
skatergeek
Beet Farmer
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
Some of the smaller places in Oregon and there is one in AZ that we have to do in the winter time. Like everyone else said, all of these approaches are NDB or GPS, but we do not always have a GPS and a lot of pilots can only use the GPS for enroute (me).
The PA31-350s have an HSI, and I think the -310s do not. I've only found a few of our PA31's that have an ADF, and none had an RMI, only the moveable card.
Some of the smaller places in Oregon and there is one in AZ that we have to do in the winter time. Like everyone else said, all of these approaches are NDB or GPS, but we do not always have a GPS and a lot of pilots can only use the GPS for enroute (me).
The PA31-350s have an HSI, and I think the -310s do not. I've only found a few of our PA31's that have an ADF, and none had an RMI, only the moveable card.
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
I might be a little out of touch with reality, but I can appreciate that. I always preferred to leave the card fixed. Ok, back on track, my apologies.
I might be a little out of touch with reality, but I can appreciate that. I always preferred to leave the card fixed. Ok, back on track, my apologies.
Speed Pilot
Brain Damaged
The NDB in Show Low sucks.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Re: 135 cross country times
Yes. You need to add it up I am afraid. Makes a good argument for electronic logbooks
Yes. You need to add it up I am afraid. Makes a good argument for electronic logbooks
Re: Indoc starts in less than a week...
I was given a VOR approach, missed to the published hold at my interview in March. You can interview at multiple bases with multiple interviewers. I don't think any two interviews will be the same. My interviewer did have a few sheets of paper from HQ that required him to ask certain questions. Mainly about my current twin, Vspeeds etc... also a bunch of HR. I did not get slammed with a ton of technical questions as I was expecting based on the gouges. It all depends on who you get.
I was given a VOR approach, missed to the published hold at my interview in March. You can interview at multiple bases with multiple interviewers. I don't think any two interviews will be the same. My interviewer did have a few sheets of paper from HQ that required him to ask certain questions. Mainly about my current twin, Vspeeds etc... also a bunch of HR. I did not get slammed with a ton of technical questions as I was expecting based on the gouges. It all depends on who you get.