Nobody else sees this whole concept as pretty unprofessional? Am I the only one?
First off, you really don't have the experience or status to be lecturing any 121 pilot about professionalism. Neither do you have the experience or status to lecture any Union pilot about scabs.
It is childish and immature. Hopefully it is only a minority of 121 pilots that actually think and act this way.
Hopefully, its the MAJORITY of Union pilots who think and ACT this way. Scabs remove any leverage Unions have of improving contracts because they negate the weapons Unions have...self-help. Scabs have PROVEN that they will cross a picket line and therefore have EARNED their place on scab lists.
Wouldn't be nice to know who has your back and and who has management's back.
Its also nice to know who will stab YOU in the back at the first opportunity. Scabs have and would probably do it again.
So is it ok to cross the line. Should the pilots pay any price for crossing the line?
Apparently, Pat thinks it is. And the only penalty should be a lecture while they're getting free transportation on Union jumpseats.
A strike doesn't have much effectiveness if the services of the pilot group continue to be available.
Or if there are pilots ready and willing to fill the gaps, i.e. scabs.
...creating a list of offenders and carrying out your own form of vigilante justice isn't exactly right either.
Its not vigilante justice. No one is getting lynched. We're just denying scabs the right to Union negotiated privileges...no jumpseats. They want to non-rev, they're welcome to. They want to buy a ticket? We'll take their money. But no one says we have to socialize, aid or comfort anyone who has stabbed Union brothers in the back by crossing their picket lines.
Because really, the jumpseat is the only authority you wield over these guys, you can't really keep them from getting hired (you can try, but I doubt you'll be successful) and for what purpose, so one more pilot has to take a substandard job to pay the mortgage?
Again, Pat, you display your ignorance of 121 operations. EVERY 121 airline has pilots sitting on interview boards. And many of them either consult their scab lists or recognize employment during individual airline strike time frames. And those guys DON'T get hired.
Your opinons reflect that you're really out of your depth on topics like this. Perhaps you should stick to village logistics subjects.
If you really wanted to punish a jumpseater, let him on then from 10,000 to 10,000 lecture him continuously about how much of a bastard he is for scabbing if you have the juevos (which I doubt most of the posters do).
Again, not much knowledge of how real airlines operate. You apparently have never heard of CRM or the stress introduced in the cockpit by unwanted jumpseaters. Lecturing someone ad infinitum is the recipe for a disaster.
You haven't made the profession better by punishing those who are going to act selfishly, you've made the profession worse. You've pushed pilots out of work, and reduced the quality of life for people. The exact things the union is trying to prevent among the non-pariahs in the community.
The profession is made infinitely better if scabs are forced out of it. For one thing it demonstrates to those who may have considered scabbing that the permanent scarlet letter isn't worth the short term gain of crossing a picket line.
And supporting the non-pariahs is exactly what Unions do...promote the interestes of their membership. And if getting one more scab off a seniority list because he can't get to work creates an upgrade opportunity for a Union pilot its well worth it.
Please continue flying your Cessna up in Alaska and stay away from the 121 industry.
Actually, I'd like to see him get a job in 121. Once he has some experience he'll find out how crow tastes. Its sort of like raven, but stringier.
Lecturing someone in a jumpseat is not good CRM....I would say in that case by getting rid of the selfish pilots would make the profession better. I don't care about pilots that don't care about me or this profession.
Well said, Gonzo.
Home everynight, making $45/hr, free attorney, perdiem if I travel, and I know my boss by first name. Can't really complain.
I guess that's a lot friendlier when you kiss his butt.
Serious question here-do you think that a person in a leadership position, gains credibility by making these little personal ad hominem barbs on an online forum? Does it bring credit to the ALPA or to the profession in general?
Actually, part of the job is correcting misinformation. And there's a TON of it floating around out here in Internetspace.
I would submit, that in your position as an elected union leader you lose a ton of credibility when you do that.
I disagree. I think it enhances his credibility, especially if what he says is consistent with ALPA policy and he maintains his consistency over numerous threads. And he has certainly met those criteria.
A lesson I learn as Naval Officer, is that when in a leadership position, you are held to a higher standard. A troop can act like a buffoon and it is soon forgotten.
What you forgot to add is that as a Naval Officer you were charged with correcting (to the point of prosecution under the UCMJ) of erroneous behavior. Yes, the troops can act like buffoons. However, there were always consequences for thos actions. The consequences here are being publicly pilloried when your "opinons" are out to lunch.
