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[CFI A&P]

So you mean to tell me some Corpie flies 10 hrs/Month and does nothing but stay home the rest of the time, with no other duties for the company?

Every Corpie I’ve flown with explained how they had other duties for the company, that didn’t involve actual flying/pilot seat.

There's a reason that you haven't flown with a former corporate pilot that had a job like Inverted25 is describing. Those shops don't have turn over.

Again, all your aviation jobs have been at 121 shops, which is fine if that's what you want to do. But there's a lot on the 91/135 world that you aren't aware about, and some closely guarded operators that are not discussed here, or APC, or anywhere else.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

And those jobs are rare, with job security that pales in comparison. You’re at the whim of the owner(s) of that plane.

 

[CFI A&P]

And those jobs are rare, with job security that pales in comparison. You’re at the whim of the owner(s) of that plane.

Says the pilot that tells us they were acquired not hired. Didn’t you also experience a merger at the regionals?

 

[Richman]

There's a reason that you haven't flown with a former corporate pilot that had a job like Inverted25 is describing. Those shops don't have turn over.

Again, all your aviation jobs have been at 121 shops, which is fine if that's what you want to do. But there's a lot on the 91/135 world that you aren't aware about, and some closely guarded operators that are not discussed here, or APC, or anywhere else.

This. There are some corporate jobs that you simply don’t hear about. They are kept tight, and you practically have to marry into them.

Not all corporations are collective assbags, whose mouthpieces go on Faux news to say how bad/greedy their employees are. Granted, it’s a small minority, but like cops who say they only catch the stupid criminals, there are companies out there that just go about their business and don’t say shat.

Some of those places great places to work, and some fly airplanes.

 

[SteveC]

So you mean to tell me some Corpie flies 10 hrs/Month and does nothing but stay home the rest of the time, with no other duties for the company?

Yes.

Every Corpie I’ve flown with explained how they had other duties for the company, that didn’t involve actual flying/pilot seat.

Even if they do, which is not unusual, many work less days than you, are home way more than you, and make great money. What’s not to like?

 

[Ian_J]

I’ve been flying 8-11 days a month all year.

I know of 1 pilot who does other duties (non aviation related duties), definitely not the norm these days. There are aviation related tasks that get shared among the pilots such as maintenance management, database updates, hangar facilities (drinks, snacks, etc) and so on.

And for comparison for @Cherokee_Cruiser, at my 121 I typically only work 10-12 days a months and get the rest off “scott free.” And I’m sleeping for 33-50% of those flights.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Even if they do, which is not unusual, many work less days than you, are home way more than you, and make great money. What’s not to like?

Different strokes for different folks, etc.

I either want to do the flying I'm doing now or four legs a day SEA SFO SEA SJC SEA with none of the in-between.

 

[HJB]

Sorry, if you worked for me and you sat around that long, you’d be fired.

Don’t think he’ll have to worry about that.

 

[scooter2525]

Different strokes for different folks, etc.

I either want to do the flying I'm doing now or four legs a day SEA SFO SEA SJC SEA with none of the in-between.

Eww

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

And for comparison for @Cherokee_Cruiser, at my 121 I typically only work 10-12 days a months and get the rest off “scott free.” And I’m sleeping for 33-50% of those flights.

So could I. I could easily drop to 10-12 days of work and have 18-21 days off per month. By choice, I do about 15-16 days of work and have 14-16 days off. One overnight this month, the rest are all day trips. It feels like a normal day job in that sense.

 

[Get-home-itis]

Can you imagine if we had a union in the Navy? haha

We did when I was in.... it was called JOPA

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Eww

Either-or, etc.; I sort of can't wait to be a 220 king out west.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Says the pilot that tells us they were acquired not hired. Didn’t you also experience a merger at the regionals?

Yes. Both cases, kept the job. How do 91 Corpie mergers go? What union protections do they have along with seniority representation?

Yes.



Even if they do, which is not unusual, many work less days than you, are home way more than you, and make great money. What’s not to like?

Those jobs are rare.


I flew with a guy whose wife was at Boeing Corp(ie) at Gary. There was a (small) incident which was not her fault, but the good ol bous club pinned it on her, and created such an atmosphere that she left them and never looked back.

The jobs CFI AP is referring to are very rare, and extremely hard to get, let’s just say they aren’t window shopping for pilots. You’d have to know an “in” and get along with their good ol boys club. And god forbid you don’t get along with someone. There’s a difference flying at a place with 4-10 pilots versus thousands.


You Corpies can keep your Corps, no thanks.

 

[Ian_J]

So could I. I could easily drop to 10-12 days of work and have 18-21 days off per month. By choice, I do about 15-16 days of work and have 14-16 days off. One overnight this month, the rest are all day trips. It feels like a normal day job in that sense.

Yuck.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Yuck.

You know what else is yuck? The avg house price in my town being 1.05m

But I was told shut it and don’t complain.

 

[Richman]

Traditionally, even mediocre corp jobs required you do be dialed in.

I once applied at the “typical” corp job that wasn’t advertised, but had heard about through a friend.

It required you to be dual quaked (FW & Rotor), but even that hurdle left them with plenty of applicants. Still, I met the requirements, was familiar with their operating area and had experience with that region. I had no problem with moving to their operating base, which probably eliminated at least some applicants.

Jumped all hoops, checked all the boxes, did all the assessments, made it through the final gate, and they still hired the nephew of one of the board members who had fewer quals and less experience. It was apparent that he had been juiced in the whole time, and the rest was just for show.

If anything, the current job market has bifurcated the corporate ops even more. The great jobs are still there, but they have had to increase pay/benefits, and thus have become even more cloistered and those in them become even more possessive/secretive. The rest are still ass, and the jobs in between have become ass, because they can’t afford to pay anything close to market, and thus have huge turnover.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Don’t think he’ll have to worry about that.

For now. Until the next change in winds. Management. Economy. Or the day there’s a falling out with someone. Sorry, you’ll never convince me Corpie jobs are safe. They’re also subject to volatility, and unlike airlines, there’s even less protections.

 

[CFI A&P]

Yes. Both cases, kept the job. How do 91 Corpie mergers go? What union protections do they have along with seniority representation?

The point being that there is some level of uncertainty in this industry, no matter what you fly.

Those jobs are rare.


I flew with a guy whose wife was at Boeing Corp(ie) at Gary. There was a (small) incident which was not her fault, but the good ol boys club pinned it on her, and created such an atmosphere that she left them and never looked back.

There's a story for every scenario, I know a guy that left a 121 major during upgrade for one of those coveted corporate positions.

The jobs CFI AP is referring to are very rare, and extremely hard to get, let’s just say they aren’t window shopping for pilots. You’d have to know an “in” and get along with their good ol boys club. And god forbid you don’t get along with someone. There’s a difference flying at a place with 4-10 pilots versus thousands.


You Corpies can keep your Corps, no thanks.

You'd be surprised how many of those positions are out there, if you didn't spend all your time denigrating anyone that isn't an airline pilot.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

The point being that there is some level of uncertainty in this industry, no matter what you fly.



There's a story for every scenario, I know a guy that left a 121 major during upgrade for one of those coveted corporate positions.



You'd be surprised how many of those positions are out there, if you didn't spend all your time denigrating anyone that isn't an airline pilot.

That guy is making a foolish mistake. But hey, there’s one guy now who left Delta to come to our shop. Go figure. Pilots and career decisions is a whole separate thread, one could write volumes about it.

 

[scooter2525]

Either-or, etc.; I sort of can't wait to be a 220 king out west.

Too many legs. I’m a turn or one and done kinda guy. My jam used to be DH ANC, DH Asia, operate ANC, DH home.