Latest offer from FedEx management: We know it sucks here, we worked out an offer for you guys to go to PSA instead!

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Yup. That worked out great for…(insert defunct airline that acquired other airlines here). Here’s the thing. It’s a pretty small industry. I’m lucky to have a great 91 job. I’ve had a couple other good ones too. Do I think I’ll go to the airlines? Probably not. Do I want to burn that bridge? Nope. Maybe someday I’ll want to work for a living

30 yrs from now, one of those major airlines is more likely to be around than a 91 op. Ask Eastman Kodak how that worked out for them. Or Ford/GM. Eastman, like 60+ yrs as a flight department in Rochester. Gone.


121 has sucked for a lot of people, but TODAY, more than half the pilots employed at these majors have been hired in the past 10 yrs. So they have been here beyond the merger years (except my shop in 2016). And now jetBlue/Spirit. They'll still be employed.

Seeing 2-3 major carriers fold? Those days are most likely gone. I think you’d see a merger than an outright disappearance of a major airline today.


Besides, if things go bad, and your department has to cut 5 pilots (out of a total 20), who’s getting chopped? At least at an airline, I know how many are below me and how any potential furlough would go - inverse seniority order. No ifs, ands, or butts. No amount of ass kissing or the owner liked that guy more is going to matter at a 121. Your number is your number.

 

[knot4u]

One of the most naturally talented and trained stick and rudder aviators walking amongst us is working as an A/P. He was born into rowdy airplanes and from a young age he excelled. His line around Reno is better than Lyle or Tiger.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6qq6u6K9-Q

 

[Inverted25]

I'm unsure what sort of airplane you're flying or if you have full time time MX, but it's always appreciated when the sky gods show up and spend time in the hangar just hanging out (bring donuts if it's early, or tacos if it's lunchtime). It's actually one of the coolest things that 121 folks miss out on, because we all rely on this mechanical abomination to run reliably and we get to know each other and many friendships are forged. I'm not saying the work changes at all, but if your friend is flying it you might triple check everything.

We have full time MX staff. They fly on the airplanes on the international trips which is common in the large cabin stuff.


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[arkflyr]

Perceived_121_Security_Chat> Frank_Lorenzo ENTERS THE CHAT
Perceived_121_Security_Chat> Hiya Cherokee, about that...
Perceived_121_Security_Chat> Carl_Icahn ENTERS THE CHAT
Perceived_121_Security_Chat> Carl_Icahn > Hey Frank_Lorenzo! Sup man, you chortled too?

Here is something that just absolutely warms the cockles of my wee black heart.

Corporate America’s Chief Critic, Carl Icahn, Gets His Comeuppance

After a short seller targeted Icahn Enterprises, the activist investor made changes. At 87, he insists he’s not going anywhere and will refocus on rattling company cages.

www.nytimes.com

If you can't read behind the paywall here is an excerpt,

“It is very, very embarrassing for Carl because this guy beat him and beat him at his own game,” said Mark Stevens, the author of a 1993 book titled “King Icahn: The Biography of a Renegade Capitalist.”

 

[knot4u]

30 yrs from now, one of those major airlines is more likely to be around than a 91 op. Ask Eastman Kodak how that worked out for them. Or Ford/GM. Eastman, like 60+ yrs as a flight department in Rochester. Gone.


121 has sucked for a lot of people, but TODAY, more than half the pilots employed at these majors have been hired in the past 10 yrs. So they have been here beyond the merger years (except my shop in 2016). And now jetBlue/Spirit. They'll still be employed.

Seeing 2-3 major carriers fold? Those days are most likely gone. I think you’d see a merger than an outright disappearance of a major airline today.


Besides, if things go bad, and your department has to cut 5 pilots (out of a total 20), who’s getting chopped? At least at an airline, I know how many are below me and how any potential furlough would go - inverse seniority order. No ifs, ands, or butts. No amount of ass kissing or the owner liked that guy more is going to matter at a 121. Your number is your number.

If that happens you have all of the training and if you're not an • chances are you'll get hired by another 91 flight department. You act as if 91 can't be a career because you work in 121 and it seems impossible. You don't understand and that's fine. I don't like when you try to belittle those that are actually doing it and living their best life personally and financially.

 

[Inverted25]

Oh, so you do international. Your worse case is more than a 4 day trip, correct? And say the boss wants a 2 week trip to Timbaktu. Do you have to stay those two weeks inside Timbaktu with the plane, or will they commercial you back free to the United States and chill at home until day 12 and fly you back to Timbaktu?

We only use the planes for business trips not personal. Typical international trip is Sunday night to midday Friday. If you do that trip it’s probably the only trip you do for that month. We have the occasional trips that are longer than 6 days but they will be split in half with a crew swap. Business class airfare if you have to do that.


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[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Is a Four Seasons in Timbuktu for a week horrible? I don't know, and I suspect you don't either.

I’ll tell you what it’s not: a place where the wife and kids are. And sure, some Corpies can probably get the pilot family to tag along on an intl trip, but that’s not feasible during school times.

My next day trip is a PVR turn, 1005am checkin, land 615pm and released 630pm. Drop kids to school, come home, get ready and leave for airport. Fly. Back home about 710pm. Finish homework with kids, play time, dinner, tuck them in. It’s literally like the best day job.

 

[knot4u]

We have full time MX staff. They fly on the airplanes on the international trips which is common in the large cabin stuff.


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Do the flight mechanics cook and serve food? If you have the job I think you have hang on to it as long as possible.

 

[knot4u]

I’ll tell you what it’s not: a place where the wife and kids are. And sure, some Corpies can probably get the pilot family to tag along on an intl trip, but that’s not feasible during school times.

My next day trip is a PVR turn, 1005am checkin, land 615pm and released 630pm. Drop kids to school, come home, get ready and leave for airport. Fly. Back home about 710pm. Finish homework with kids, play time, dinner, tuck them in. It’s literally like the best day job.

That's wonderful! Stop putting down your fellow aviators who might not have kids or a wife, that's your life and it's not necessarily ubiquitous. Do what makes you happy and stop complaining about what someone else that has no power over your life does. Are there poorly trained yahoos flying around? Yes. But saying that all corporate operators are cowboys is as dumb as saying the P-8 that ran off the runway in in Hawaii was all female.

 

[Inverted25]

Do the flight mechanics cook and serve food? If you have the job I think you have hang on to it as long as possible.

They will help pax get beds setup if doing a overnight crossing and hand out food if asked. Our pax are very low key. Pretty self sufficient. MX acts a third crew member for takeoff and landings. They are good and will point things out if they see something not right. Other than that can chill in the forward crew rest if they want to sleep etc.


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[knot4u]

They will help pax get beds setup if doing a overnight crossing and hand out food if asked. Our pax are very low key. Pretty self sufficient. MX acts a third crew member for takeoff and landings. They are good and will point things out if they see something not right. Other than that can chill in the forward crew rest if they want to sleep etc.


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Are you looking for mechanics? I'm a pirate.

 

[killbilly]

Either-or, etc.; I sort of can't wait to be a 220 king out west.

It's a pretty amazing airplane.

 

[knot4u]

It's a pretty amazing airplane.

Every airplane is pretty amazing. If you're flying it it's even more amazing.

 

[OneNineHundy]

I’ll tell you what it’s not: a place where the wife and kids are. And sure, some Corpies can probably get the pilot family to tag along on an intl trip, but that’s not feasible during school times.

My next day trip is a PVR turn, 1005am checkin, land 615pm and released 630pm. Drop kids to school, come home, get ready and leave for airport. Fly. Back home about 710pm. Finish homework with kids, play time, dinner, tuck them in. It’s literally like the best day job.

Different strokes mate, you are coming across as a bit of a knob in this thread. You do you, no one comes here for judgement about their career choices. If you don't have anything nice to say.....

 

[scooter2525]

Obvious troll is...highly successful.

Where?

 

[Boris Badenov]

I’ll tell you what it’s not:

No, I'll tell *you* what it's not: A freaking competition. You can't "win" this. Have you considered a hobby? You have all of the makings of an extremely awkward but occasionally hilarious amateur stand-up comedian. I mean as it stands a lot more misses than hits, but that's the biz, I'm told. In any case you're wasting whatever paltry talents were gifted you with your Troll Crusade.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

I only now discovered Matt Rife and Taylor Tomlinson. If you don't know either name, you're missing out.

 

[Skåning]

Obvious troll is...highly successful.

Yeah I dont know why more people dont realize that

We have full time MX staff. They fly on the airplanes on the international trips which is common in the large cabin stuff.

Are you TTN based?

 

[knot4u]

I only now discovered Matt Rife and Taylor Tomlinson. If you don't know either name, you're missing out.

Based on your recommendation I'm going to miss out. I have zero faith in anything you say outside of the cockpit, you might be the best 737 pilot on the planet, but that's just your job. You're a slam/click and that's fine, I also have participated in being solitary on the road. I missed out on a lot of stuff and I'm not necessarily better because of it even though it felt like the right thing to do at that point in time. You're an airline captain. Keep your lawn cut perfectly and your driveway empty and clean (your cars are parked in the garage). Life is perfect and you're living the American dream, are you friends with your neighbors?

 

[derg]

I only now discovered Matt Rife and Taylor Tomlinson. If you don't know either name, you're missing out.

Matt Rife is entertaining for the first few videos, then goes completely repetitive and is basically re-invented Dane Cook.

The crowd work with the drunk "woo girls" that are there to fawn over him gets redundant.