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FO’s flare is slightly high and the touchdown is rolled on in the landing zone about 2500’ down the rwy. The runway slopes downhill at this point. We are on speed, but very fast due to our heavy weight. It is imperative that there is no delay in activating the Thrust Reversers (TRs) as we are eating up a lot of runway.
I mention to the FO, “OK, Let’s get the TRs out…”
FO was delaying activation of the TRs to the interlock position to the point where I felt I needed to say something. There was an almost 2 second delay after the nose had been lowered when I finally prompted him to activate the TRs. He was EXTREMELY annoyed that I asked him to do so.
He angrily blurted out, “NO! YOU SIT THERE AND MONITOR, I’LL FLY!” as the TRs finally started to come out. I was being verbally reprimanded by the FO for saying something.
I had lost control of the cockpit CRM. The FO was absolutely sure that his technique in delaying TR activation was the correct course of action. He felt I was absolutely in the wrong for mentioning anything. In his mind, I was “whining” about his delayed TR activation. His bloated ego had instantly promoted himself to Capt, and I had been relegated to FO.
After parking and shut down, I tried to initiate a debrief by again mentioning that we needed to get the TRs out a little sooner to save some brake wear and ensure we can make the exiting taxiway easily. Instead of apologizing or admitting he was a little late in getting the TRs out, he cut me off and raised his voice again:
“I physically can’t extend the TRs for 1.4 seconds after the engines are in idle, so I’m not going to do it! I’m not that other guy who tries to rip the TRs out the throttle quadrant!” he yelled. The FO’s understanding of how the TRs function is incorrect. The delay is from interlock to Detent 1, not from idle to interlock.
When a Capt asks an FO to do something, the FO is not expected to retort in retaliation during a critical phase of flight. When the aircraft is chocked we can talk about it if it was an uncomfortable situation. FOs certainly DO NOT reprimand the Capt for suggesting to operate the aircraft in the manner in which the Capt requests. FOs are expected to speak up in cases involving safety of flight. This was not the case.
The FO’s response to the TR suggestion was unprofessional and out of character for any pilot in any company. CRM went out the window during roll-out on that landing. Snapping at a Capt because one’s pride is hurt is an egregious breach of CRM. The FO’s conduct during this situation was unsat and will not be tolerated..
I mention to the FO, “OK, Let’s get the TRs out…”
FO was delaying activation of the TRs to the interlock position to the point where I felt I needed to say something. There was an almost 2 second delay after the nose had been lowered when I finally prompted him to activate the TRs. He was EXTREMELY annoyed that I asked him to do so.
He angrily blurted out, “NO! YOU SIT THERE AND MONITOR, I’LL FLY!” as the TRs finally started to come out. I was being verbally reprimanded by the FO for saying something.
I had lost control of the cockpit CRM. The FO was absolutely sure that his technique in delaying TR activation was the correct course of action. He felt I was absolutely in the wrong for mentioning anything. In his mind, I was “whining” about his delayed TR activation. His bloated ego had instantly promoted himself to Capt, and I had been relegated to FO.
After parking and shut down, I tried to initiate a debrief by again mentioning that we needed to get the TRs out a little sooner to save some brake wear and ensure we can make the exiting taxiway easily. Instead of apologizing or admitting he was a little late in getting the TRs out, he cut me off and raised his voice again:
“I physically can’t extend the TRs for 1.4 seconds after the engines are in idle, so I’m not going to do it! I’m not that other guy who tries to rip the TRs out the throttle quadrant!” he yelled. The FO’s understanding of how the TRs function is incorrect. The delay is from interlock to Detent 1, not from idle to interlock.
When a Capt asks an FO to do something, the FO is not expected to retort in retaliation during a critical phase of flight. When the aircraft is chocked we can talk about it if it was an uncomfortable situation. FOs certainly DO NOT reprimand the Capt for suggesting to operate the aircraft in the manner in which the Capt requests. FOs are expected to speak up in cases involving safety of flight. This was not the case.
The FO’s response to the TR suggestion was unprofessional and out of character for any pilot in any company. CRM went out the window during roll-out on that landing. Snapping at a Capt because one’s pride is hurt is an egregious breach of CRM. The FO’s conduct during this situation was unsat and will not be tolerated..
