Don't Snap Roll A Hawker

[ChasenSFO]

I highly doubt a fed would push an ultimately minor issue, say a post on an internet forum, to the point of a violation with little to no solid evidence met with no admission from the accused for longer than it's worth. Especially if you are not being abrasive but just respectfully denying their claims. You CAN say no in many situations to many things. If said fed does push the issue tenaciously anyway, they probably have a vendetta and will push until they either get you for something or go too far. At that point, really not much you can do but keep your ish in order and hope that if they find nothing. I but I doubt one would ever find themselves in that position without deserving to be there.

Who here brags about blatantly knowingly breaking a FAR?

I saw a nav light burn out once on the way to the runway years ago, and I took off and did the 10 minute flight back anyway, at dusk. Come get me breh. #nojusticenopeace#FFA

 

[fholbert]

Who here has never broken a FAR?

Everyone who has yet to solo!

 

[scooter2525]

A pissed of fed is like a pissed off cop. They can usually find something to ding you with if they look hard enough, and long enough.

Giggty

 

[Pilot Fighter]

Besides being upside-down, how does an aileron roll put an aircraft out of it's design envelope? I would not know how to properly execute an aileron roll in a C-172 because there are no published entry speeds for that maneuver, and therefore wouldn't do it myself, but just because the FARs say you can't do something doesn't mean it cannot be done safely.

First, the claim was a snap or flick roll, not an aileron roll, which is pretty docile.

Second, in the case of an aileron roll, it isn't usually the roll that's the problem, it's the ability to recover from a failed attempt or recover without structural damage.

 

[elmetal]

Back on topic,

plane flew back to FXE, man that's so surprising

/s

 

[GolfChuck]

First, the claim was a snap or flick roll, not an aileron roll, which is pretty docile.

Second, in the case of an aileron roll, it isn't usually the roll that's the problem, it's the ability to recover from a failed attempt or recover without structural damage.

I do not believe Inverted claimed to snap roll nearly every type in his log book, the discussion of which is what this thread has degraded to. I don't think anyone would argue that snap rolling anything civilian with a jet engine is a bad idea.

 

[Hacker15e]

I don't think anyone would argue that snap rolling anything civilian with a jet engine is a bad idea.

Sure, I'll argue that.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

I do not believe Inverted claimed to snap roll nearly every type in his log book, which is what this thread has degraded to. I don't think anyone would argue that snap rolling anything civilian with a jet engine is a bad idea.

I was responding to your post as I didn't catch the continuity.

That said, think about why Inverted's posts raised collective groans, other than for starting a pissing contest with a TPS grad.

 

[CFI A&P]

There is an old promotional sales video on YouTube of a Bellanca Viking doing medium aerobatics, including snap rolls. All approved maneuvers for that airplane. @fholbert

 

[SpiceWeasel]

There is an old promotional sales video on YouTube of a Bellanca Viking doing medium aerobatics, including snap rolls. All approved maneuvers for that airplane. @fholbert

Did they have parachutes? They better have, assuming >60deg bank or >30deg pitch.

Rabble.

 

[hook_dupin]

...other than for starting a pissing contest with a [dude] .

My background does't mean much here -this is entirely a judgement issue. Frankly, the most notable TPS-grad back-seater is a bat-feces crazy astronaut who drove from Houston to Orlando with a wig, diapers, a pellet gun, and rubber tubing in an attempt to kidnap a jilted lover. It's lonely at the top.

 

[Pilot Fighter]

My background does't mean much here -this is entirely a judgement issue. Frankly, the most notable TPS-grad back-seater is a bat-feces crazy astronaut who drove from Houston to Orlando with a wig, diapers, a pellet gun, and rubber tubing in an attempt to kidnap a jilted lover. It's lonely at the top.

When a woman does you wrong, you have the credentials to act and role model to emulate.

 

[SteveC]

Well, until he says explicitly which types of aircraft he has rolled we can't even say that he has broken a FAR. Pretty sure an Inspector is going to notice the same thing.

Then again, maybe he'll jump to unsupported conclusions, too.

 

[Boris Badenov]

 

[GolfChuck]

I was responding to your post as I didn't catch the continuity.

That said, think about why Inverted's posts raised collective groans, other than for starting a pissing contest with a TPS grad.

I love how because my opinion varies from the majority automatically means I am engaging in a pissing contest.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I love how because my opinion varies from the majority automatically means I am engaging in a pissing contest.

You say that like you don't actually love it. I don't believe you!

 

[Pilot Fighter]

I love how because my opinion varies from the majority automatically means I am engaging in a pissing contest.

I'm not sure what your opinion is. I'm not sure what the majority opinion is. When Inverted posted that he's rolled 70 types, I just raised an eyebrow. He either had training, permission, and legal authority to do it or not. But the context here was a Hawker that was possibly rolled and it appeared that Inverted suggested it was no big deal. I'm not sure what his point was.

 

[Boris Badenov]

I took his point to be that rolling an airplane isn't a big deal. And, at least in my VERY LIMITED EXPERIENCE IN ROLLING AIRPLANES BECAUSE IT'S OFTEN ILLEGAL, ETC ETC, it isn't a big deal. Like, ever. It's a non-event, and it should be for anyone who's even halfway competent at this aviation-appliance-operation gig. I mean I suppose there are probably airplanes that I would think would be genuinely dangerous to roll, but I'm hard-pressed to think of them right now. Maybe them Russian things that go real fast but just sit in ground effect. THAT seems like a bad idea. Almost bad enough to deserve this hilarious losing-of-poop-storm.

 

[GolfChuck]

...But the context here was a Hawker that was possibly rolled and it appeared that Inverted suggested it was no big deal. I'm not sure what his point was.

I have rolled just about everything I have flown, which is a significant amount. I highly, highly doubt that this Hawker was snap rolled. Even aerobatic airplanes receive damage from snap rolls, it is on of, if not the most aggressive maneuver you can do to an aircraft. Granted you don't have the severe gyroscopic issues that you get with recip aircraft, but the instant G load increase wouldn't cause a fuselage to wrinkle, it would snap the wings off. Aileron rolls and barrel rolls are very gentle on an aircraft, and if you keep slight positive G, you can do a roll with your eyes closed and it feels like you are flying strait and level.

Since he seems to have [probably wisely] exited this conversation, my interpretation of his point is pretty clear. And the point was not that it is safe to snap roll a Hawker. I have no opinion of the Hawker, my opinion is that since his comment, the rest of this forum has been on a witch hunt that is more or less unfounded.

 

[GolfChuck]

I'd like to add that I have learned a lot perusing and engaging in intelligent discussion on this forum, and I thank everyone for their participation, but this is making my head hurt.