Don't Snap Roll A Hawker

Boris Badenov said:
I think I would simply observe that the notion that one need be a "certified test pilot" in order to safely roll an aircraft is preposterous. WW1 pilots flew things held together by baling wire and chewing gum which had the aerodynamic characteristics of a paper mache snake while getting shot at and rolling RATHER A LOT, and even a lot of them managed not to crash, in spite of the fact that they were not CERTIFIED TEST PILOTS.

Now that's obviously leaving aside the question of how wise it is to advertise such things.
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This is the right answer to this catastrophe of a thread
 
Derg said:
There is no legal precedent requiring I even acknowledge an inquiry unless they have a legal document, and even at that point, I know nothing. Nothing, except my pastrami sandwich was delicious.
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They can probably subpoena the servers, the IP addresses, etc.
 
Seggy said:
They can probably subpoena the servers, the IP addresses, etc.
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You do realize how expensive in terms of man power and resources that would be, getting the subpoena together, finding Derg, taking the information back to where they can search it, digging out the IP address, then tracking it down to that specific location, then their computer, etc., etc. Be realistic here man. They wouldn't waste the time and resources on some small fry doing something stupid like bragging about doing dumb things on the interwebs. If they did, they'd have no money left to go after the things that are easy to prove. Be realistic here man.
 
greg1016 said:
Who here has never broken a FAR?
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I'm sure we all have, but there is a difference between

A) forgetting to turn on your nav lights at sunset

and

B) possibly damaging a significant part of an aircrafts structure when operating outside of the design envelope on purpose.

Both of my examples are breaking a FAR.

Only 1 of them may kill the next person to fly the airplane.
 
There was a video posted on another pilot forum that will remain nameless. In that video a helicopter pilot clearly violated a ton of FARs. Flying close enough to a bunch of kids on a dock to allow them to grab the skids while the pilot lifted them 20 -30 feet in the air so they could drop off in to the water below. Then a near miss with a boat. All with the N-number in clear view through out the 5-8 minute video.

I know for a fact the FAA reviewed the video and decided not to do anything about it.

If they wouldn't do anything about that, they are definitely not going to come after an anonymous person on a internet forum bragging about something they can't prove.

Not approving of what capt. clueless did here but I am saying don't put too much stock in the FAA. If they have to work too hard for it and no one got hurt, they won't go put any effort into it.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
I'm sure we all have, but there is a difference between

A) forgetting to turn on your nav lights at sunset

and

B) possibly damaging a significant part of an aircrafts structure when operating outside of the design envelope on purpose.

Both of my examples are breaking a FAR.

Only 1 of them may kill the next person to fly the airplane.
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Besides being upside-down, how does an aileron roll put an aircraft out of it's design envelope? I would not know how to properly execute an aileron roll in a C-172 because there are no published entry speeds for that maneuver, and therefore wouldn't do it myself, but just because the FARs say you can't do something doesn't mean it cannot be done safely.
 
greg1016 said:
Besides being upside-down, how does an aileron roll put an aircraft out of it's design envelope? I would not know how to properly execute an aileron roll in a C-172 because there are no published entry speeds for that maneuver, and therefore wouldn't do it myself, but just because the FARs say you can't do something doesn't mean it cannot be done safely.
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I think you answered your own question.
 
mshunter said:
Who here brags about blatantly knowingly breaking a FAR?
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Well, that branch of the discussion was only just brought up by Boris, up until then everyone was just crying about how stupid/unsafe it is to aileron roll an aircraft without an aerobatic airworthiness ticket. I would say there are plenty of APPROVED utility category maneuvers that stress an airframe much more than an aileron roll.

Second, I'd like to mention that this is mostly an anonymous web forum, and just because one user may know who someone else is, doesn't give them the right to divulge personally identifiable information such as job interview dates. I would hope a moderator would edit that stuff out.
 
greg1016 said:
Well, that branch of the discussion was only just brought up by Boris, up until then everyone was just crying about how stupid/unsafe it is to aileron roll an aircraft without an aerobatic airworthiness ticket. I would say there are plenty of APPROVED utility category maneuvers that stress an airframe much more than an aileron roll.

Second, I'd like to mention that this is mostly an anonymous web forum, and just because one user may know who someone else is, doesn't give them the right to divulge personally identifiable information such as job interview dates. I would hope a moderator would edit that stuff out.
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Inverted posted that info himself on the Netjets thread. His profile says Bay Area. And his time at AMF is from the AMF thread.

Explain to me what right I am disrespecting again?

Its the internet, common sense (or lack there of) goes a loooong way.
 
greg1016 said:
Well, that branch of the discussion was only just brought up by Boris, up until then everyone was just crying about how stupid/unsafe it is to aileron roll an aircraft without an aerobatic airworthiness ticket. I would say there are plenty of APPROVED utility category maneuvers that stress an airframe much more than an aileron roll.

Second, I'd like to mention that this is mostly an anonymous web forum, and just because one user may know who someone else is, doesn't give them the right to divulge personally identifiable information such as job interview dates. I would hope a moderator would edit that stuff out.
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Just to add, its only anonymous if you keep it that way. I could post Inverteds name, address, a selfie, hell even his resume and work history if I wanted too. It's all out there for anyone to see.

But I wont.
 
greg1016 said:
Well, that branch of the discussion was only just brought up by Boris, up until then everyone was just crying about how stupid/unsafe it is to aileron roll an aircraft without an aerobatic airworthiness ticket. I would say there are plenty of APPROVED utility category maneuvers that stress an airframe much more than an aileron roll.

Second, I'd like to mention that this is mostly an anonymous web forum, and just because one user may know who someone else is, doesn't give them the right to divulge personally identifiable information such as job interview dates. I would hope a moderator would edit that stuff out.
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This is mostly a networking site. MANY of us know each other outside of here and have met. Many more of us are friends on Facebook, enough so that if someone gets asked "Hey, so and so just dropped off a resume. Whad'ya think?"

It's hardly anonymous.
 
mshunter said:
This is mostly a networking site. MANY of us know each other outside of here and have met. Many more of us are friends on Facebook, enough so that if someone gets asked "Hey, so and so just dropped off a resume. Whad'ya think?"

It's hardly anonymous.
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Absolutely correct!
 
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