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And it's not like they're typically stupid or lazy. They just don't know any better. Someone really should start a website to edumacate them people.....

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Here's <a href="www.jetcareers.com" target="_blank">one</a> .

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Good try Brian, but linky no worky!
 
Hey, I'm with Doug on this one. Riddle was my home for flight training and the training I received was tops. I never could understand the current program marketing and how the students(grads) would be ready for the regional or corp. pilot position? Small hour and a type rating will not buy you a cup of coffee in todays market. It is a shame that the glossy ads lead the willing into the unknown with a "gotcha" attitude.

Here are a few of the leading the blind ads.

"Airline Pilot Careers, Faster & For Sure."
"Selecting the right school can save you time, increasse you airline seniority, and save you money"
"One year. One path. One Career."
"%%%, in cooperation with &&&, offers the most complete, one-stop airline pilot training solution in the industry"
"Fast Track to an Airline Career"
"Come visit us and see why we're the leader in flight training."
"Pilot positions are Reserved for Academy graduates. After all, we have the Connections."
"Free flight training with a 4-year employment contract"
"95% hired at $35,000 per year!"
"Airline Career Pilot Program, 190 hours multi-engine, 3 hour jet transition flying"
"########## not only provides the best training in the industry but also the best opportunity for Part-121 airline employment"
"The First Officer program offers advantages found nowhere else"
"If becoming an airline pilot is your career objective, then ########## is the only logical choice"


I just got tired of typing, you get the cloudy picture on them there glossy ads, don't ya?
 
How is this line misleading?

"Airline Career Pilot Program, 190 hours multi-engine, 3 hour jet transition flying"

They aren't promising you anything except for what you pay for. I agree with the rest of your examples.
 
OK Jax dude, you are in for a debate.

Name one regional airline that will hire a pilot that has only 190 tt hrs/multi-engine and 3 hrs. jet transition. Ain't gonna happen. What is misleading is the perception that all one has to do is enroll in the "Airline Career Pilot Program" and "siszam", you are ready for the airlines. This is far from the truth. What the ads fail to point out is the time the student must spend, working as a CFI, before he/she has enough hours to qualify for a First Officer Pilot position/Basic Indoc/IOE with any airline.

The ads are designed for those who have little knowledge of what qualifications an airline pilot candidate needs. Most of the words and catchy phrases are misleading. It is up to those who know and write what it takes and point out the misconceptions and misinformation these school ads send.
 
Ya know...Mesa and Riddle could finally buddy up to each other...they could become CAPTers like our San Juaners. However, unlike the San Juaners, the CAPTers would be held CAPTive by the right seat forever.

We're the only ones I know of though that are strange enough to put people in the right seat of a CRJ that can't copy a clearance...
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If ATP is so horrible, why do they have a picture of Semminole in their ad instead of a B1900 (Ala Gulfstream)? Wouldn't they want you to know that you're heading to an airline with them instead of as a CFI in a twin trainer?
 
Toured their facility today and rumor mill says three of their candidates got hired by ASA with less than 400 hrs flight time! Is this possible?
 
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Toured their facility today and rumor mill says three of their candidates got hired by ASA with less than 400 hrs flight time! Is this possible?

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Possible? Doubtful. ASA has a LOT better resumes on their desk than 400 hour guys from CAPT. Last I heard not one guy has gotten hired out of there.....
 
not that its CAPT but a kid in my CFI ground school at ERAU DAB got hired at ASA with like 350 and less than 50 multi at the time of his interview, but he did the internship with them. I'd say ASA is the best at lowering mins for interns. They told him he had the job all he had to do was get 50 multi by the time he started ground school which i think was the beginning of december.
 
I really do not understand the Internship program and how the airlines and other corp world types get away with this type of program. The interns work, but, do not get paid. Only a pending job offer if the intern behaves.
 
I don’t understand either, specially when some of these internships advertise to pay you back somewhere around 10 to 45 dollars an hour.
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I don’t understand either, specially when some of these internships advertise to pay you back somewhere around 10 to 45 dollars an hour.
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If they are paying you back, then it's PFT/PFJ.
 
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If they are paying you back, then it's PFT/PFJ.

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I only consider it PFT/PFJ if I pay the company money for a job I should be getting paid for (ala Gulfstream's FO program). If there's no money changing involved, and I'm working for free, it's not really PFT, but it's still not right. I refuse to fly for free just to build hours.
 
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How is this line misleading?

"Airline Career Pilot Program, 190 hours multi-engine, 3 hour jet transition flying"

They aren't promising you anything except for what you pay for. I agree with the rest of your examples.

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It is a tad misleading as when you finish the program you walk out at just over 135 of ME time in your log book.

Not that 135 of ME and all your ratings is a bad deal, the ad is just a tad misleading.

None of these schools are great, some are just better than others and all are a business.
 
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If they are paying you back, then it's PFT/PFJ.

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Are you sure you didn't mean that the other way around?
PFT/J is when you pay for your training and have nothing to show for it.
Examples:
1. Pilot is req'd to pay for Brasilia/CRJ school. Pilot completes required schooling but does NOT receive a type rating and is NOT refunded his training money.

2. Pilot pays $X for the privilege of becoming a B1900 FO, etc....for no pay/very little pay.

For the new guys:You do NOT pay an employer!!!! They are supposed to pay YOU!

It is not unusual to have to pay for a type to get a job. But a reputable employer will reimburse you when you complete the training. It's sort of insurance that you're serious about the job.

But I still disagree with SWA.....who does NOT pay you back for your type.
 
Looks like ERAU CAPT is going the internship route then FE and finally FO since they cannot find regionals to hire there premier grads...

Management at CAPT must have cashed in a big favor with a friend at Focus Air.

www.captiscrap.com
 
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Management at CAPT must have cashed in a big favor with a friend at Focus Air.

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Quit sucking your thumb!
Most folks never even get to see the cockpit of a 747 or even fly international routes! Yet in twelve months after graduation they will already be a flightcrew member. If you had a choice between working at a regional for 12 months for $18,000 or getting paid at least double that to "Intern" as you call it and then get in the 747, which would you do? Nevermind, we all know what you are going to say... something childish and dumb. Maybe if you spent more time instructing and less time on your website you would have a real job by now. Then again, airlines don't hire whiners! Good luck making it through probation.
 
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Quit sucking your thumb!
Most folks never even get to see the cockpit of a 747 or even fly international routes! Yet in twelve months after graduation they will already be a flightcrew member. If you had a choice between working at a regional for 12 months for $18,000 or getting paid at least double that to "Intern" as you call it and then get in the 747, which would you do? Nevermind, we all know what you are going to say... something childish and dumb. Maybe if you spent more time instructing and less time on your website you would have a real job by now. Then again, airlines don't hire whiners! Good luck making it through probation.


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If I was low time I would rather get a regional job that I actually earned, than pay an obscene amount of money to sit sideways as an FO on a 747 for some 3rd tier freight operator that will probably go out of business before I ever see the right seat. The only thing I could find about Focus Air was that they just bought an ex Atlas 747 and that they were 'soon to begin operations'. I wish them well, but what are their chances? It is sad that the first students who enrolled at CAPT would probably have enough hours to get hired if they had just gotten their CFI and started instructing. Instead they blew thousands on an ill conceived program and have nothing to show for it. Way to go ERAU.
 
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Quit sucking your thumb!
Most folks never even get to see the cockpit of a 747 or even fly international routes! Yet in twelve months after graduation they will already be a flightcrew member. If you had a choice between working at a regional for 12 months for $18,000 or getting paid at least double that to "Intern" as you call it and then get in the 747, which would you do? Nevermind, we all know what you are going to say... something childish and dumb. Maybe if you spent more time instructing and less time on your website you would have a real job by now. Then again, airlines don't hire whiners! Good luck making it through probation.


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Hi! I'm a total tool who just came by to start some crap! I know exactly how to become an airline pilot and you don't! You might as well not respond to my propaganda because I'm not here to listen anyway! I use exclamation points because it makes people consider my opinion without being offended!
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Thank you CAPT for degrading the degrees people earned at ERAU and reaffirming my decision to transfer to a competing university.
 
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