Alaska Hawaiian Merger Serious Version

Roger Roger said:
Do y’all always look at the maint page in the max when you do the control check or was that just the really odd captain I was JS with?
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Granted the max is a different beast, but I did FAFO with the SYS/ENG buttons on an old -800 for some reason, and the result was becoming intimately familiar with the ENG page lockout supplemental (which is worded horribly, I might add)

One doesn't simply start pressing random buttons in the 737. Wild adventures may ensue
 
///AMG said:
Granted the max is a different beast, but I did FAFO with the SYS/ENG buttons on an old -800 for some reason, and the result was becoming intimately familiar with the ENG page lockout supplemental (which is worded horribly, I might add)

One doesn't simply start pressing random buttons in the 737. Wild adventures may ensue
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You must not fly older -800s much, some of those drop you in to the ENG page pretty much every time you swap from ground power to APU gen. Some of the maint page stuff you can see on the Max is cool especially AC Pack stuff when you’re trying to cool the cabin.
 
///AMG said:
the result was becoming intimately familiar with the ENG page lockout supplemental (which is worded horribly, I might add)
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I didn’t think it was all that bad, just walk through the chart. That it has to be a whole procedure is just absurd still
 
Ian_J said:
Interesting. Always fascinating to see how different operators run their fleets.

And I guess flipping the trim air switch isn’t the weirdest thing a 73 operator does (or doesn’t do) after all. 😜
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The standby elec power check is one.
 
I was reading through the contract comparison this evening. How do both scope sections get meshed together? I’d love to have best of both, but guessing management wouldn’t be willing to shut down QX, which should give us some really good leverage.
 
alaskadrifter said:
I was reading through the contract comparison this evening. How do both scope sections get meshed together? I’d love to have best of both, but guessing management wouldn’t be willing to shut down QX, which should give us some really good leverage.
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Other than a few merger related things, there isn't much in the Alaska scope section that isn't covered in the Hawaiian one. The issue is more how much of the Hawaiian scope language gets chopped because things like feeder carrier and unchecked codeshare are already basic parts of the Alaska operation.
 
BobDDuck said:
Other than a few merger related things, there isn't much in the Alaska scope section that isn't covered in the Hawaiian one. The issue is more how much of the Hawaiian scope language gets chopped because things like feeder carrier and unchecked codeshare are already basic parts of the Alaska operation.
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If I’m understanding this correctly the HAL scope clause would not allow QX to exist. In other words it precludes any regional feed not in the islands. Also no regional jet aircraft are allowed.
 

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word302 said:
And they all had their chance to move over so it would be pretty unfair to do anything but staple them, which I know would never happen.
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I don’t think they would even want to merge. Quite a few there who share @SurferLucas opinion on Air Group.

I’m sure that part of the scope will be changed for mainland ops, but I do see Hawaiian protecting inner island flying. Meaning no HNL base for QX or OO
 
alaskadrifter said:
If I’m understanding this correctly the HAL scope clause would not allow QX to exist. In other words it precludes any regional feed not in the islands. Also no regional jet aircraft are allowed.
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That's correct. Feeder is only Inter Island, limited to non jet, less than 69k/69 seats, and prohibited from operating trunk routes. Everything on the mainland has to fall under code share.
 
BobDDuck said:
That's correct. Feeder is only Inter Island, limited to non jet, less than 69k/69 seats, and prohibited from operating trunk routes. Everything on the mainland has to fall under code share.
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So what you’re saying, is things are about to get interesting with regards to scope differences between the two airlines. Popcorn time
 
Highly doubt that’s how that would work.


It’s still ALPA-ALPA.

If you want to see any past precedent, look up the 4 way mess of Republic, Fromtier, Lynx, and Midwest. Arbitrated SLI and YES you had Republic pilots be out above Frontier pilots.


I wouldn't want any part of brining “back” E175s to mainline. Rather, I’d rather to see MAX7s fill that role and regionals disappear over time. All those folks can come on over, as they could have the last 10 yrs.
 
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