B767
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It really is. I've been at a company where "it's never over." Worst. Time. Of. My. Life.
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Which is fine and dandy until the name calling starts. Again.
B767
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Y'all need to fly with me. Too many people here get their panties wound up about nothing. End of a 3 day trip all I care about is ripping my wife's panties off. And you'll hear about it! Start talking about it after the first leg! There's bigger fish to fry than a "TA" that's a month past vote.
Granted, after the end of the first leg, my wife's panties are riding/bunching up and I'm ready to change.
I have a meme for how much I care. But it's not appropriate for @Dergs pg-13 living room.
poser765
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I sensibly chuckled.
I exhaled through my nose slightly harder than usual.
B767
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I'm just trying to help my persona. Apparently my name has been mentioned more than once in a "do you know CA B767?"
"Yea. And if there's one person with less GAF than me, it's him."
I mean, I do GAF. It's my career. Stay within the company provided "box" for operation of the plane, I'm good.
You ate some bad lunch and can't trust a fart 5 minutes to departure time and have to use the bathroom for 30 mins? I DGAF. I'll even put the delay on myself. You do what you gotta do.
I'm the same way about these TA type of things. It's over. No amount of bitching is going to magically change the vote. I'm not gonna call you a name for eating Taco Bueno before departure, I'm not gonna call you a name for voting yes.
I remember a time when everyone gave Eagle (I mean Envoy) crap for approving a 16 year contract. A couple years later 9/11 happened. Their 16 year dismal contract wound up being one of the better ones for the regionals after that.
I just think it's weird that a bunch of adults resort to name calling after a vote is finished.
EDIT: in case anyone is confused, I'm pretty sure I posted about being a staunch no vote.
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As a separate item that hasn't been addressed by the airline industry in, as near as I can tell... well, ever.
When pilots can be found constantly saying "OMG we pay new hires $36.50/hr! How can you not live on that? When I started back in the early 1990s, we barely paid $19/hr!" or "Minimum wage shouldn't be $10! When I was a teen (twenty years ago) it was $3.75/hr and I still saved up enough to do thing X!" it's obviously a subject that doesn't spring readily to the mind.
Unfortunately, that's how pay works. For every place that has a built-in automatic COL adjustment there are five that don't. And for every person and a half who wanted more money, there was a person who said "The pay is fine, I want QOL." and a person who said "Delta increased their pay by X%, so we should do the same." (And while I don't disagree, that wasn't on the table. What was on the table was an incremental pay raise with a term extension, already negotiated by SAPA, who nearly unanimously sent it to a vote—and the one nay vote said, as I recall, that he felt it was as much as the company was willing to offer, but he wanted QOL improvements, or to shift the numbers around a bit.)
I do feel that SAPA represented our interests like Congress represents our interests—as our proxies rather than our voices—and that they should have tried to gauge the wants and needs of the pilot group more directly, through surveys and questions.
Still, to call it a pay cut is just incorrect and disingenuous.
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Just because I feel this item hasn't quite been resolved, despite my efforts: I did not call anyone names. I also did not imply (as some have suggested based on an incomplete read of what I've said) that I was "more intelligent" or "better at math" than the average pilot. Let's end this now, kay? I'm just a fox. I have my opinions, I respect the opinions of others, I do not consider myself better in any way than anyone or anyones else. What I was attempting to call attention to were the (objectively) erroneous conclusions and (objectively) misrepresented data that I saw bandied about by both sides.
That is all.
-Fox
threeighteen
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Didn't mean to start a fight here, but the fact that a 10 year pilot on either side of the pay scale will make less in 5 years than a 10 year pilot today can't be avoided. That is not a pay raise.
My concern is that not only have we sold out the entire regional industry, but now we can't even recruit new hires because of this embarrassing agreement. The CRJ new-hire class numbers are dropping fast, ERJ classes aren't growing, and we are undisputably short-staffed.
My concern is that not only have we sold out the entire regional industry, but now we can't even recruit new hires because of this embarrassing agreement. The CRJ new-hire class numbers are dropping fast, ERJ classes aren't growing, and we are undisputably short-staffed.
BEEF SUPREME
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While I agree staffing could be better. Much better for CRJ. I don't see hiring as any different than it was 6 months ago. 60 CRJ and 30 ERJ every month. In fact the list has grown from about 4150 when I started to 4390 as of today. Just look at the seniority list.
The numbers don't lie.
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threeighteen
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That would be nice if we were actually still doing 60 CRJ a month... it's down to 40ish and dropping fast.
BEEF SUPREME
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May I suggest you check the numbers again. I just looked a few days ago. They are getting the quota this month. Please check SWOL. It's all right there.
I'm no fan of this TA but hyperbole doesn't get us anywhere.
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threeighteen
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What numbers are you looking at? I'm looking straight off of the seniority list, there hasn't been a class with 30 names or more since June 12.
BEEF SUPREME
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The same ones you are looking at, apparently. We obviously aren't seeing the same thing...
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threeighteen
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Are you counting the people who are stuck in "training limbo" that started class a while ago but took leave and keep getting recycled to the bottom?
That's the only way I can see us being over 30 per class....
There are only 4 or 5 of those guys. They've been there for months.
threeighteen
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That point will come fast and hard.
I thought the same but they keep coming in droves. It will benefit us all when that trend slows.
threeighteen
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That's my point really. If you count those guys, you might see more than 30, if you don't, the number is under 30.
Maybe yes, maybe no. If the pilot group had said no, we would have been in a much better position to negotiate when the trend slows (probably in the next 12 months, which is why the company was so desperate for this TA). But instead we are locked into this 5 year joke that people passed based upon a bunch of rumours of growth, but now the growth is nowhere to be seen and we couldn't possibly staff it if we wanted to without adequate pay to offer potential new hires.