Kirby wants scope relief and United
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Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
OH MY GOD YOU'D BETTER ALL VOTE YES ON THE FIRST OFFER! PEE EEE BEEEEEE!!1111111oneThey're going to cancel the 190's!
Trip7
Well-Known Member
Scope Choke is forcing the reduction of total regional airframes and block hours while requiring an increase of mainline airframes and block hours thru strategic contractual language.
Less pilots at the regionals is not a big factor yet. Kirby had success at AA increasing regional airframes while reducing mainline airframes. He's trying to do the same at United.
There's several good reasons Delta has 14,000 pilots and 4 month upgrades while AA and UAL aren't remotely close in terms of movement. Not having Scott Kirby types in management is one of them
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Normally narrowbody CA seats go around 1/3 off the top at most larger carriers due to senior FOs doing WB flying.
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is why is Delta so fast on the upgrade? Normally this would indicate a massive amount of new airplanes but that isn't the case. Why are so many FOs holding out?
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is why is Delta so fast on the upgrade? Normally this would indicate a massive amount of new airplanes but that isn't the case. Why are so many FOs holding out?
L-16B
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I get that - but how can this be considered a win? We knew 50 seaters were too many in number and going to be on the way out. So you give management the keys to more large rjs in exchange to park 50 seaters?
I don't see scope choke I see scope fail big time. I'm sure alpa or whatever union likes to take credit for doing something good but I don't buy it. Why allow more large rjs?
Kirby didn't change anything from the MTA/MOU scope.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
It's going to be very difficult to put that genie back in the bottle, as you've correctly deduced.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Because people are afraid of the M88. Its ridiculous really. I was hoping to progress to WB FO then NB CA but after this last bid it looks like I'll be senior enough to bid straight to a line holding, live in base CA position and I may have no reasonable alternative not to bid over.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Never ridden up front on the -88, but the -90 seems to be no more eccentric than the Canadian Space Shuttle, with the added bonus of "stuff is mechanical."
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what the -88 is like but on the S80's at AA it's like going back in time. I could see a bunch of folks not wanting to fly it after being on an Airbus but not THAT many guys.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
The rejoinder to that is "don't be chicken[bleep], fly what they put in front of you and cash the check."
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Also it's ATL/NYC which many people do not want to commute to. But now LAX 73 is 2.5 years or so. Probably keep dropping with the c series. @wheelsup WB FO life is good and seniority is what matters most here, not neccesarily what seat or plane. You can make alot as a senior WB FO.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Yeah, but senior WB FO is like 20 plus years.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
That's true, that's why Captain is so junior on the NBs. Just trying to explain to him why this is happening.
Nick
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It's not a win. You're absolutely right that allowing more large/capable outsourcing is a 'fail.'
Obviously the 50 seater population was going to dwindle regardless. No leverage was needed to make that occur.
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mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
You would think it would be quite similar at AA, but its not.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
How would that work exactly?
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Ya no kidding? That would mean the whole damn list will be Captains. Also AA doesn't have up or out anymore I believe?
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
So you can only bid larger aircraft and higher paying seats?
