XJT AIP

Honest question...Why would it pass? Where's the carrot or threat?

For a "Yes" vote you think one would value the contents (pay...QOL increases).....a carrot like Flowthrough additionally has been known to work.....or a threat of a shutdown, transition of aircraft to Skywest etc. None of the above are there *yet.*
 
Baronman said:
Honest question...Why would it pass? Where's the carrot or threat?

For a "Yes" vote you think one would value the contents (pay...QOL increases).....a carrot like Flowthrough additionally has been known to work.....or a threat of a shutdown, transition of aircraft to Skywest etc. None of the above are there *yet.*
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Did you read section 1? I wouldn't continue reading the contract if it was up to vote for me. That has some scary scenarios that could/have played out in the past decade.
 
amorris311 said:
Did you read section 1? I wouldn't continue reading the contract if it was up to vote for me. That has some scary scenarios that could/have played out in the past decade.
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Section 1 reads like a 400-Level Philosophy text book....What I did get out of it was specifications on transferring AC to Skywest which would be the antithesis of scope.
 
I find it interesting how they kept the line bidding in for the L-XJT side. Personally I haven't gone in depth with the contract but the parts I have looked at don't look still good.

Section 1 looks like the beginning of the company merging together with ALPA being kept out of it.
 
Maurus said:
I find it interesting how they kept the line bidding in for the L-XJT side. Personally I haven't gone in depth with the contract but the parts I have looked at don't look still good. Section 1 looks like the beginning of the company merging together with ALPA being kept out of it.
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They kept the line bidding because the ERJ side has two years to develop their SmartPref darling...if that even happens
 
Nick said:
Not even safe!

I would be so clueless if I went to the right seat tomorrow, right down to typing on the FMS keys.
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You'd be fine. Having a CA in the right seat is no worse than a Green FO fumbling his way through.

Let the CA fly if it feels too unsafe.
 
Yeah, they keep the captains here right seat qualified and it happens on a fairly regular basis.

Funny, because the company can outsource our flying to another regional under this ta, and do it for a year straight if they can't find enough pilots to hire.

Oddly enough, they already can't hire enough pilots.
 
hcaeborev said:
So......

I've been seeing everyone complaining about the negative things. Is there actually anything in this thing that is a win?

It seems as if there is no proverbial "carrot" that mgmt threw in to sway people on the fence.
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A 10 cent raise in the per diem rate.... Pretty sweet right?
 
Nick said:
Not even safe!

I would be so clueless if I went to the right seat tomorrow, right down to typing on the FMS keys.
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Are you saying as Captain you are "clueless" about what your FO is supposed to be doing?

As Captain of a multi million dollar aircraft I'd want to be thoroughly familiar with all procedures executed by both crewmembers in the cockpit.
 
jtrain609 said:
Yeah, they keep the captains here right seat qualified and it happens on a fairly regular basis.

Funny, because the company can outsource our flying to another regional under this ta, and do it for a year straight if they can't find enough pilots to hire.

Oddly enough, they already can't hire enough pilots.
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Sounds like an easy loophole to transfer flying to Skywest
 
Trip7 said:
Are you saying as Captain you are "clueless" about what your FO is supposed to be doing?
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Nope.

Trip7 said:
As Captain of a multi million dollar aircraft I'd want to be thoroughly familiar with all procedures executed by both crewmembers in the cockpit.
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I would too, and I am.


But there is a difference between knowing approximately what the other person is doing on their flow or to setup something for a checklist, and to actually be assigned a flight in that seat.

Where I work, they used to do that. The problem was not when a captain who just upgraded got assigned a seat in the right seat, or a check airman who already flew regularly would get reassigned somehow to cover an FO flight. The problem was, they'd have a reserve who upgraded two years ago and barely even flew in the left seat more than 200-300 hours a year, and had not flown in the right seat in a year or two, get in the right seat and be fumbling their way through flows and checklists, let alone getting the sight picture from the right side back and smashing the landing in pretty hard.

The union and the company discussed it and decided it would never happen again except check airman performing check airman duties.
 
Nick said:
Nope.



I would too, and I am.


But there is a difference between knowing approximately what the other person is doing on their flow or to setup something for a checklist, and to actually be assigned a flight in that seat.

Where I work, they used to do that. The problem was not when a captain who just upgraded got assigned a seat in the right seat, or a check airman who already flew regularly would get reassigned somehow to cover an FO flight. The problem was, they'd have a reserve who upgraded two years ago and barely even flew in the left seat more than 200-300 hours a year, and had not flown in the right seat in a year or two, get in the right seat and be fumbling their way through flows and checklists, let alone getting the sight picture from the right side back and smashing the landing in pretty hard.

The union and the company discussed it and decided it would never happen again except check airman performing check airman duties.
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Great answer and I feel the exact same way
 
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