XJT AIP

Baronman said:
My question is, how does XJT/SKWY management sell this? Do they try to stress the positives? Do they harp on the negatives and try to scare pilots into a "Yes?" Some combination of the two?
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the same way they always do it in the regional world by Fear. My guess is a few planes will be parked, transferred or given up. They will say "see! It's starting! vote this in or else."
 
As someone who will be joining XJT in the coming month or two, could someone explain duty rig to me in laymen's terms? (prepares for bricks to be thrown)
 
middies10 said:
As someone who will be joining XJT in the coming month or two, could someone explain duty rig to me in laymen's terms? (prepares for bricks to be thrown)
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Basically it guarantees a min pay for time on duty. For example if you are on duty for 8 hours you have to get paid a certain amount even if you credit less than that min.


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No pay raise for us in the 51-76 seat category right away, unless we get bigger airplanes under certain conditions.

2. 51-76 Seat Raises

The 51-76 seat pay rates will be increased on July 1, 2015, January 1, 2017, and July 1, 2018 unless on that date the Company meets or exceeds the number of 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service in the table below.

Jul 2015: 79 Aircraft
Jan 2017: 89 Aircraft
Jul 2018: 99 Aircraft

EXAMPLE 1: On July 1, 2015 the Company has 75 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has not met or exceeded 79 51-76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will receive a raise and will be paid according to the “Raise #1” column.

EXAMPLE 2: Starting with Example 1, on January 1, 2017 the Company has 85 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has not met or exceeded 89 51- 76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will receive a raise and will be paid according to the “Raise #2” column.

EXAMPLE 3: On July 1, 2015 the Company has 85 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has
exceeded 79 51-76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will not receive a raise and will be paid according to the “1- Jan 2014” column.
 
CRJDriver said:
No pay raise for us in the 51-76 seat category right away, unless we get bigger airplanes under certain conditions.

2. 51-76 Seat Raises

The 51-76 seat pay rates will be increased on July 1, 2015, January 1, 2017, and July 1, 2018 unless on that date the Company meets or exceeds the number of 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service in the table below.

Jul 2015: 79 Aircraft
Jan 2017: 89 Aircraft
Jul 2018: 99 Aircraft

EXAMPLE 1: On July 1, 2015 the Company has 75 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has not met or exceeded 79 51-76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will receive a raise and will be paid according to the “Raise #1” column.

EXAMPLE 2: Starting with Example 1, on January 1, 2017 the Company has 85 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has not met or exceeded 89 51- 76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will receive a raise and will be paid according to the “Raise #2” column.

EXAMPLE 3: On July 1, 2015 the Company has 85 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has
exceeded 79 51-76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will not receive a raise and will be paid according to the “1- Jan 2014” column.
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Growth (upgrades) or pay raises is I think what they are trying to do with this. Very much over complicated.
 
CRJDriver said:
No pay raise for us in the 51-76 seat category right away, unless we get bigger airplanes under certain conditions.

2. 51-76 Seat Raises

The 51-76 seat pay rates will be increased on July 1, 2015, January 1, 2017, and July 1, 2018 unless on that date the Company meets or exceeds the number of 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service in the table below.

Jul 2015: 79 Aircraft
Jan 2017: 89 Aircraft
Jul 2018: 99 Aircraft

EXAMPLE 1: On July 1, 2015 the Company has 75 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has not met or exceeded 79 51-76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will receive a raise and will be paid according to the “Raise #1” column.

EXAMPLE 2: Starting with Example 1, on January 1, 2017 the Company has 85 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has not met or exceeded 89 51- 76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will receive a raise and will be paid according to the “Raise #2” column.

EXAMPLE 3: On July 1, 2015 the Company has 85 51-76 seat aircraft in revenue service. Because the Company has
exceeded 79 51-76 seat aircraft, 51-76 seat pilots will not receive a raise and will be paid according to the “1- Jan 2014” column.
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I think they mean that if they DON'T get airplanes they raise your pay.
 
cencal83406 said:
I think they mean that if they DON'T get airplanes they raise your pay.
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I think that's correct. From my reading of that, the company is attempting to achieve some sort of cost-neutral growth, or at least keep costs growing slower than the fleet.
 
juxtapilot said:
Yes.. Its terrible. Maybe sending it to the pilots was the right move. They just pissed everyone off.
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Thanks. That is BS.

It does give y'all a much bigger recourse by the MEC sending it to the pilot group. It will show the NMB and mediator that the company didn't offer enough if it is voted down.
 
motormadness24 said:
And somehow the TA will probably pass somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-40 sadly.
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It may... But, there really isn't anything in there that would make anyone want to vote Yes... Seriously, that TA is crap. I emailed and called my reps begging them not to send a concessionary TA (that's exactly what this is) to the pilot group. What do they do? Send out a letter that says they only heard from 10% of the pilot group, and although 100% of those they heard from didn't want a terrible contract, they couldn't know for sure that the other 90% didn't want pay cuts and massive hits in QOL.
 
juxtapilot said:
It may... But, there really isn't anything in there that would make anyone want to vote Yes... Seriously, that TA is crap. I emailed and called my reps begging them not to send a concessionary TA (that's exactly what this is) to the pilot group. What do they do? Send out a letter that says they only heard from 10% of the pilot group, and although 100% of those they heard from didn't want a terrible contract, they couldn't know for sure that the other 90% didn't want pay cuts and massive hits in QOL.
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As I said in post 114, it isn't a bad thing for your reps to send it to the pilot group. It does give the Negotiating Committee more leverage if it does get voted down.
 
Seggy said:
As I said in post 114, it isn't a bad thing for your reps to send it to the pilot group. It does give the Negotiating Committee more leverage if it does get voted down.
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The problem is pilots are too emotional (and stupid) and will pass the thing. The union will do its best to "sell" this to the pilot group. "Well guys if you don't pass this, you won't have a job next year."
 
Seggy said:
Soooo...how is the scope in the contract? Does it force a SLI with the Skywest folks?
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I hope the second question was rhetorical.....

Adressing an earlier statement my theory is...The negotiating committee after years of work realizes they're not making any headway. The company and Union are clearly worlds apart. Rather than continuing on the same path, they put out this contract being virtually assured it will fail by a wide margin and at least introduce a new element into the negotiation.
 
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