Will Delta Pilot's strike?
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hard to say considering what the happened with the mechanics... altho if DAL stands up, i betcha NWA will follow suit - that, would be a good thing.
Didn't they just take concessions though? like last year or what not - or is this their first (and hopefully only) drop?
Didn't they just take concessions though? like last year or what not - or is this their first (and hopefully only) drop?
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Kristie said:
Yes Kristie...this is NWA's second round of concessions. Lastly with NWA already agreeing to cuts not sure you can expect them to follow Delta's pilots example about how to grow a spine! When they already cut out their own.
-Matthew
Kristie said:
I believe that it is true about last year. The concessions they just took are supposed to be a stop gap measure for the next couple of months so they can have a little longer time to negotiate an agreement with the company. I believe they are trying to avoid having the 1113c filed by the company.
That's what I was thinking too as far as the mechanics. I figure if they were going to put their foot down, they would have done it when the mechanics went on strike. That would have done one of two things I believe; force the company into a reconsidering a mutual agreement or it would have taken the company down and that would not be good either.
DE727UPS said:
Sure, pilots DESERVE to be well-paid. However, your pay isn't based on what you deserve. Your pay is based on what the market and more specifically your company can bear. There are lots of people in this world who should probably be paid more, but the market won't support it.
Doug can call it slavery, but most rational people call it capitalism.
As for striking, I absolutely agree that the pilots should have the right to strike if DL terminates their contract....that too is part of capitalism. In all honesty, it would probably be best for the industry if DL pilots do strike. A quick liquidation of a major airline would help stabilize this industry.
Of course, this strike won't really do much for pilots. It will temporarily halt the need for further concessions at other carriers. However, it will also flood the market with unemployed pilots which in the long-run will probably create further drag on pilot wages.
Oh, take it to flyertalk!
But I'll do it:
Q: "Doug, what do you mean by the 'new American slavery?"
A: Glad you asked! What I mean by that is that in my weird world, since the growth of multi-national conglomerates, there is a push to drive down the median US incomes to the level where the multi-national comglomerates will shift resources and jobs to countries with lower, more stable workforces. Similar to the push to develop the third world in terms of technology jobs, but there have been some quality issues. So I think there's a push to, as a whole, drive down the costs of US labor and already having a nicely educated population, the multi-nationals will garner more bang for buck.
But I'll do it:
Q: "Doug, what do you mean by the 'new American slavery?"
A: Glad you asked! What I mean by that is that in my weird world, since the growth of multi-national conglomerates, there is a push to drive down the median US incomes to the level where the multi-national comglomerates will shift resources and jobs to countries with lower, more stable workforces. Similar to the push to develop the third world in terms of technology jobs, but there have been some quality issues. So I think there's a push to, as a whole, drive down the costs of US labor and already having a nicely educated population, the multi-nationals will garner more bang for buck.
mpenguin1
Well-Known Member
DE727UPS said:
Both sides are using scare tactics, Management is using the threats of tearing up the contracts, the Union is using the threat of a strike.
Just like in the Cold War Days, both sides had their Nuclear Weapons, but, nobody launched a missle.
As far as leverage, out of bankruptcy, the strike is an option, while in bankruptcy, can be a recipe for disaster.
If both sides do not find some common ground, both sides are going to lose, both groups are unreasonable and stubborn.
Strike, strike, strike, burn the mother down, to hell with management, screw the pilots, the threat of strike is purely hollow, are not the comments that are encouraging to hear....
Doug Taylor said:
Yeah, yeah. I know that rational debate is not allowed on this website. Only the same tired rhetoric and conspiracy theories.
Yes, the whole world is out to get you, Doug. Every month Grinstein gets together with all the other CEO's across the world and they plot your demise and the demise of the common man.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
MedFlyer said:
So tell me, then. Do we live in a capitalistic society?
Yes or no, please.
And pengy, here's another one you don't want to hear.
"Eff management."
You see, when you get a press release with the corporate earnings, and you see the bonus that the CEO's gonna be getting, and then you see that pay will be frozen for the third year in a row, you say that.
So I'll say it again.
"Eff management."
Karl Marx may have been wrong about a lot of things, but he wasn't wrong with the workers of the world unite line.
mpenguin1
Well-Known Member
tonyw said:
Then maybe this quote fits:
There are two fools in this world. One is the millionaire who thinks that by hoarding money he can somehow accumulate real power, and the other is the penniless reformer who thinks that if only he can take the money from one class and give it to another, all the world's ills will be cured.
Henry Ford
drink coffee....
tonyw
Well-Known Member
mpenguin1 said:
Hmmm....in the case of Delta, I believe the first statement is fitting. I don't believe the second fits at all.
You've got the execs wanting to hoard the money, and the employees are saying, uh, you know, I contribute to the success of this company, I want my share.
Ain't nothing wrong with the second part of it. Henry Ford says the first part of it is the action of fools.
Speaking of Henry Ford, know how he became successful? Part of it was by paying his factory workers enough so that they'd be able to afford one of his cars.
Champcar
Well-Known Member
I herd a diferent approach to pilots and there pay cuts today.
If an airline goes in liquidation then pensions and other goodies are usually paid out in percentage of your last wage. Well if pilots continue to take pay cuts THEN the airline goes belly up then your are paid out ALOT less then had you just went belly up before those concessions.
Hope that made sense.
If an airline goes in liquidation then pensions and other goodies are usually paid out in percentage of your last wage. Well if pilots continue to take pay cuts THEN the airline goes belly up then your are paid out ALOT less then had you just went belly up before those concessions.
Hope that made sense.
Stormflyer
New Member
Delta pilot strike
Delta called the threat of a strike "hollow", but I heard from a Delta pilot that the union is ready to strike if the bankruptcy court judge imposes the latest company demands. If Delta doesn't take the threat seriously, and a strike happens, wouldn't there be a quick Chapter 7 filing?
Also, what about the Railway Labor Act? Delta thinks that a strike would violate this act and is therefore illegal. I don't know much about labor issues, so maybe someone could inform me.
EDIT: Sorry, I didn't realize that there is already an active thread about this.
Delta called the threat of a strike "hollow", but I heard from a Delta pilot that the union is ready to strike if the bankruptcy court judge imposes the latest company demands. If Delta doesn't take the threat seriously, and a strike happens, wouldn't there be a quick Chapter 7 filing?
Also, what about the Railway Labor Act? Delta thinks that a strike would violate this act and is therefore illegal. I don't know much about labor issues, so maybe someone could inform me.
EDIT: Sorry, I didn't realize that there is already an active thread about this.
Tim
New Member
Doug what the general public doesnt and will never understand about this fight with Jerry and boys it that, as stated, its not about the money its about the whole situation. Last year about this time Jerry blamed all the high cost on pilot salaries so you guys gave them 32.5% and he then said now its the fuel which we all know did go up. Now the fuel has leveled and dropped its back to the pilots costing to much. I am sick and tired of outside folks thinking they have a clue whats going on because they read the USA Today or a local paper. No one wants to give up money but this is about the lies they told ALPA to get a contract done. The situation is never ever gone to get better until they realize that Leo and gang screwed this up when they were here and Jerry is having to try to fix his mess. Employees who talk to the rank and file know what this is about. Hell no I dont wont to lose my job but someone has to make a stand. I can get another job and as a matter of fact I have been looking and applying. People need to quit blaming the pilots and look at the root of the problem that sits over at 1030 Delta Blvd in a building called Mahagony row.
As far as cutting to get a certain cent per mile number thats BS. We tried that back in the 90's with 7.5 and look how wonderful that turned out. We lost so much respect as a customer oriented airline it wasnt even funny. Now they want to try it again. A number is just that a number. You want to save money keep employees happy and their service and attitude will bring you what you want. People look at SWA employees and see that most of them are happy and wonder why more airline employees arent. Passengers will fly you if they think that you really do give a crap about them. Thank you for the vent time.
As far as cutting to get a certain cent per mile number thats BS. We tried that back in the 90's with 7.5 and look how wonderful that turned out. We lost so much respect as a customer oriented airline it wasnt even funny. Now they want to try it again. A number is just that a number. You want to save money keep employees happy and their service and attitude will bring you what you want. People look at SWA employees and see that most of them are happy and wonder why more airline employees arent. Passengers will fly you if they think that you really do give a crap about them. Thank you for the vent time.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Two Delta threads already....keep em comin we got enough room for 3 more!
:whatever:
-Matthew
:whatever: -Matthew
actually, to defend them some, it is big news right now... I don't think any other airline has approached a strike point as much as DL right now.
in my opinion, I think, a strike is in defense of the Railway Labor Act.. if we didn't have that act, there wouldn't even be a possibility of striking or unionized representation.
there's really no telling what could happen - it's all speculation at this point - oh and media hype! haha
in my opinion, I think, a strike is in defense of the Railway Labor Act.. if we didn't have that act, there wouldn't even be a possibility of striking or unionized representation.
there's really no telling what could happen - it's all speculation at this point - oh and media hype! haha