Will Delta Pilot's strike?

Doug Taylor said:
I have no problem with doing something else, or developing a wider, more comprehensive business and getting off of the "New American Slavery" train of being anyone's employee where I'm supposed to be gracious and thankful that I have just enough to get my RDA of 3000 calories and a roof over my head. Life is too short and it moves fast.
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Oh the drama. Since when is a 100K salary the "New American Slavery"?

I think someone needs a little perspective. I never thought someone could be so out of touch with the world, but I guess it is possible. With an attitude like that, the paycuts you are taking might actually be justified.
 
Turn down the drama rheostat and turn up the "just what do you mean by that" rheostat.

It usually helps.

And with not many posts, how come you conveniently show up on only certain topics? (busted!)
 
MedFlyer said:
Oh the drama. Since when is a 100K salary the "New American Slavery"?

I think someone needs a little perspective. I never thought someone could be so out of touch with the world, but I guess it is possible. With an attitude like that, the paycuts you are taking might actually be justified.
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GAWD, just like the public :whatever: ... where the heck do you get that from???

it's not all about pay (and no, it's not 100K - after taxes).. it involves the work rules too - or have you forgotten about work rules/scope??

someone needs to think "deeper inside the box" and get out of the whole $$ category!
 
Uh, uh, ma'am, I read this magazine article one day and I uhh, am a frequent flyer, so I uhh, know the business... ;) I uhh, have uhh, more miles than you, yuk yuk!
 
"But we can sure have an intelligent discussion on what we think might and/or should happen to the one of world's biggest airlines, right?"

Especially when being owned by Delta means everything and you go to DCA.

"But you would never start a thread about "shorting" Delta right?"

I don't think he knows what you are talking about, Max. Man, that guy pissed me off. I don't have any problem with this thread like I did that other one.
 
In today's ATA smart brief, said by DL management

"Threats by Delta Air Lines' pilots to strike are "hollow," the carrier said in a court filing"

Can you believe they said that? Talking about provocative language. Those are fightin' words. Words like that mean no compromise. Personally, like I said before, I think they are bluffing and using scare tatics. I wonder if they are trying to say it won't be legal for you to engage in self help? I'm not registered at the two newspaper links, so I didn't read all of the story.
 
Think they're just trying to get the pilots riled? if they get them riled enough, could it cause the judge to impose something/anything?

I heard on the news last night (didn't actually watch the entire thing, it was just a headline) and the newscaster said something about "could a strike threaten your holidays" and i was just like "oh boy, here we go..."

for one thing, i can't imagine bk court going oh so fast as to mess up everyone's holiday vacations! during the holidays, things slow down drastically!!
 
Medflyer

"Since when is a 100K salary the "New American Slavery"

I think the point is that it's not right for the DL pilot group to have a contract imposed without the right to seek self help. We'll see how it plays out. Also, it's not right to use the bankruptcy laws to negate, what was, a legal contract with the pilots rather than use negoiations.

Medflyer, the legacy pilot groups are trying the best they can to uphold the profession. Why do you have a problem with that? Do you not think airline pilots deserve to be well paid?
 
DE727UPS said:
"Threats by Delta Air Lines' pilots to strike are "hollow," the carrier said in a court filing"

Can you believe they said that? Talking about provocative language. Those are fightin' words. Words like that mean no compromise. Personally, like I said before, I think they are bluffing and using scare tatics. I wonder if they are trying to say it won't be legal for you to engage in self help? I'm not registered at the two newspaper links, so I didn't read all of the story.
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just enter the web addy of the site you want and if there is a usr/pwd it will give it to you. rather nice.
 
The file was too large to upload...but every pilot should read ALPAs brief filed with the bankruptcy court in rebuttal to Delta's 1113c filing with the court. It is fascinating reading...and ALPA has done their homework! Try a google search...it should be public record.

Both sides will have their day in court to discuss the numbers. While I have no idea what politics might play into the hands of a bankruptcy court judge when deciding the fate of a collective bargaining agreement...one thing is crystal clear in my analysis. Delta has overstated their need in regards to pilot concessions.

There is a disconnect in what Delta says they need from the pilots...and what they are actually asking for. This is what angers the pilot group. The numbers don't add up...and this should raise lots and lots of questions in court.

If I was an ALPA attorney...I would not be able to wait to rebut the contract proposal brought forth in the 1113c filing. Under US bankruptcy law...a company may only ask for conditions necessary...only to the extent necessary...to successfully submit a plan of reorganization. ALPA, in their brief to the court, has done a masterful job of showing an overstatement of need. Actually, categorically, an overstatement of need.

Still, I look for an eventual negotiated settlement on the contract. I think both sides will receive serious "counseling" to reach an agreement. Ultimately, I think it will be management who will have to move the most. Of course, this is all my opinion, just as a interested observer.

What is so dissappointing to me...is that management is not acting to form a winning airline. A good business plan is key to future success...but a motivated, shining workforce is as important if not more. Now is the time to rally the workforce...not divide them. Overstating the need for concessions, and forcing employee groups into the corner is not the olive branch I was looking for.
 
no, i didn't know what he was talking about. sorry about that. anyway, sounds like an intelligent discussion. good points being made. just hope DE727UPS doesn't turn it into a DCA flame somehow.
 
I love how all the Professors here at Riddle do nothing but say things will get better...blah blah blah. Some of them say that us pilots should just accept lower pay. HA easy for a tenured professor to say that. The industry is really bad as a whole. I have alot of graduated friends who just cant find jobs, Im not spend 30k a year to become a gate agent.

I've learned alot in my 3 years here, I hope pilots will just take a stand and say enough is enough. You guys cant and wont do this for free, its a job like any other.
 
The 'other' guy was such an investing expert, that he still had a blue collar 9-to-5 job. And could also outthink Warren Buffett.
 
Gloves are off, I'll post it:

Delta ALPA's response to the companies 1113(c) filing:

Response

It's a long read, but if you're not willing to read it in it's entirety but you still want to take the 'company side', do America a favor and STFU.
 
husky16 said:
Why should it not be speculated here? Alot of things are speculated on here.
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Because you are talking about the livelihood of the man who runs this site. I don't think it's in good taste to go to his house, and say, hey, how you gonna pay for this house if Delta goes under.

What you are doing is similar. It is in poor taste.

And Doug, it may not be my place to say it, but I'll say it anyway.

Your comment about how they can kiss certain parts of your anatomy was dead on.

If they terminate the contract, I say shut the MF down.
 
This thread could get ugly. especially with the likes of Medflyer saying stupid $h*%.

I think its great what DAL pilots are doing. and I can only hope other airlines will follow suit. Namely NWA, because they are next. Its about time a pilot group had the balls to do this. Good Luck DAL pilots, I wish nothing but the best.


btw, Has Delta's MEC had any contact with Aloha's? They are about to do the same exact thing.

http://starbulletin.com/2005/10/28/business/story02.html

strength in numbers
 
Doug Taylor said:
Gloves are off, I'll post it:

Delta ALPA's response to the companies 1113(c) filing:

Response

It's a long read, but if you're not willing to read it in it's entirety but you still want to take the 'company side', do America a favor and STFU.
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Holy Smokes was that a long read. Some of the legalese I got lost in, but going by what Delta's own cost projections are, I dont' see how they can get what they are asking for. I wish all involved well. It does appear that this will indeed get ugly.
 
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