Why wear the monkey suit?

Boris Badenov said:
I missed where anyone said they were going to refuse to wear the monkey suit. It seemed more like some people said something like "Gee, the monkey suit sure is impractical and outdated" and everyone else said "YOU DAMNED KIDS YOU'LL WEAR IT AND LIKE IT GET OFF MY LAWN". Which doesn't seem exactly germane.

Like I said before, I'll wear a tutu if you pay me enough, but it's still kind of ridiculous.
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Okay, then I'll go a different route: I'm a full fare business class passenger now, and I care whether the crew looks professional. And I'm not the only one. I know you don't fly 121, but for the people who do, many of the passengers are looking to see whether you look professional or slouchy. It reflects on the airline and it reflects on you.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Okay, then I'll go a different route: I'm a full fare business class passenger now, and I care whether the crew meets some bizarre, arbitrary standard of appearance which reflects pointless personal preferences which I share with no one under 60, although I do like to appoint myself the arbiter of taste for entire groups of people in order to coerce others in to dressing in a way that I find pleasing.
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FIFY. And let's not even get in to the weirdness of adults expecting other adults to play dress up for their creepy approval.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Normal societal standards are not creepy, bizarre, or arbitrary. You're the one wanting to shun conventional norms. That's the weird point of view.
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You mean if you're going to a closing on a piece of real estate worth millions, and the closing agent is sitting there across the desk in a latex cuckold outfit with a ballgag, you're not going to take him seriously?

WAT?!

You, my friend, are a relic of the past! :)
 
Derg said:
You, my friend, are a relic of the past! :)
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A more rational analogy would be if the closing agent were wearing a cravat and a bowler hat. Which would make him....a relic of the past!

In any case, I just cannot wrap my head around why anyone cares what anyone else wears. As long as I don't have to look at your junk, wear whatever you like.
 
Roger Roger said:
Except that outside of a few select pockets, wearing a suit isn't a conventional norm these days.
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That's highly dependent upon which industry you're referring to. If you're a lawyer, a business suit is still the standard "uniform," for example. But we're not talking about the business environment, we're talking about airline pilots. And there can be zero debate that there is an accepted standard both within the industry and from the traveling public about what a pilot is supposed to dress like. Anyone fighting against that standard is the bizarre one.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You're the one wanting to shun conventional norms.
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Presenting yourself as having "the conventional opinion" does not make it so. Without polling, it's a pointless argument, but I hereby declare that you're the weird one because 95% of people don't give two hot poops about whether or not I look like I'm Jack Aubrey when I'm driving the plane.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
And there can be zero debate that there is an accepted standard both within the industry and from the traveling public about what a pilot is supposed to dress like.
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When I wore a flight suit, people knew I was a pilot, didn't seem to have a problem with it, either. When I wore a polo shirt with the name of my company on it, same deal. So A) You're wrong, and B) Your attempt to tell people what they can and cannot argue is as transparently ridiculous as your expressing a strong preference for what other, non-related, adult human beings choose to clothe themselves in.
 
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Boris Badenov said:
Presenting yourself as having "the conventional opinion" does not make it so. Without polling, it's a pointless argument, but I hereby declare that you're the weird one because 95% of people don't give two hot poops about whether or not I look like I'm Jack Aubrey when I'm driving the plane.
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No one said anything about opinions. The term used was "conventional norm." Show me a part 121 airline that allows its pilots to fly in anything that would not be considered a traditional pilot uniform. There can be no doubt of what is considered normal, and what you want is not normal.

Everyone else shouldn't have to conform to your rebellious desires. And frankly, it's more than a little immature to insist upon it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Everyone else shouldn't have to conform to your rebellious desires. And frankly, it's more than a little immature to insist upon it.
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Rebellious desires! This is beginning to sound rather romantic.

Now, certainly you recognize that suggesting that a particular uniform is kind of silly isn't expecting anyone to conform to anything, right? You're demanding that other people dress the way you want them to, then doing some awfully suspect gymnastics and coming out the other side with the notion that you're protecting others from the oppression of being expected to MYOB? You could teach Georgie Orwell a trick or two. Freedom is Slavery and we've always been at War with Eurasia, indeed!
 
Sorry, Boris, but you just can't escape the fact that you're trying to change the established norm. You're the one making demands, not me. I'm the one perfectly happy with how things are.
 
Boris Badenov said:
A more rational analogy would be if the closing agent were wearing a cravat and a bowler hat. Which would make him....a relic of the past!

In any case, I just cannot wrap my head around why anyone cares what anyone else wears. As long as I don't have to look at your junk, wear whatever you like.
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That's cool, and I'm alright with that. But we're talking business norms.

We had a consultant over at the house to do an energy evaluation (which is the biggest POS scam on earth, don't allow yourself to be signed up for that), baggy khakis, polo shirt a couple sizes too large, tennis shoes and had stains on his shirt as well.

I wouldn't buy a taco from this guy, but he sure in hell wasn't going to get me to sign on the dotted line for solar cells that rivaled the cost of my BMW if he couldn't do a workmanlike job of making himself presentable because he represented the company. So if their company didn't care about small details on their salesman, why in the world would I trust anything else about them?

I care.

You do too, you just don't realize it. I know you, bro! :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Sorry, Boris, but you just can't escape the fact that you're trying to change the established norm.
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I'm not even trying to change anything, damit. As I've said about 15 times so far, I'll wear whatever I'm issued (up to and including a ball gag, if the price is right). I'm just pointing out that dressing like an old seadog from the Napoleonic Wars A) Serves no rational purpose whatsoever and B) Makes me, myself feel a bit ridiculous at times.

And again, in the tradition of Descartes, Spinoza, and Kant, the rational choice is a flight suit. It retains the easily-identifiable uniform aspect some seem to deem so terribly necessary in order to make sure their Authoritay is Respekted, but is comfortable, easy to care for, and has LOTS OF POCKETS for SANDWICHES AND SUCH.
 
Boris Badenov said:
I'm not even trying to change anything, damit. As I've said about 15 times so far, I'll wear whatever I'm issued (up to and including a ball gag, if the price is right). I'm just pointing out that dressing like an old seadog from the Napoleonic Wars A) Serves no rational purpose whatsoever and B) Makes me, myself feel a bit ridiculous at times.

And again, in the tradition of Descartes, Spinoza, and Kant, the rational choice is a flight suit. It retains the easily-identifiable uniform aspect some seem to deem so terribly necessary in order to make sure their Authoritay is Respekted, but is comfortable, easy to care for, and has LOTS OF POCKETS for SANDWICHES AND SUCH.
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Descartes has nothing to do with this, you name-dropping neo hipster! :)

I hope @DPApilot is extra flatulent next time you two fly.

Boom. How ya like me now, son? :)
 
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