Why not the airlines!?!?!?!?

BigZ said:
That's understood. I also understand that you get the imaginary medal for 20 years of service or 10000 safe hours, not making it to the gate before schedule while burning less fuel etc, but how do you keep the inner self satisfied if all you gotta do is do your job good enough?
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I understand what you're saying. Line flying has a way of sucking you to the middle of the bell curve and encouraging mediocracy, but you don't have to be just a line pilot. I get my "work hard, be satisfied" fix from volunteering on a union committee, and by being involved with a local charity. You can work in the training, recruiting, and/or safety departments at most airlines, even regionals. Many pilots also have a side business to get their entrepreneurial fix. Basically you'll find that an airline schedule gives you the time and ability to pursue other passions.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
https://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/profanity-filters-and-you.123332/
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BigZ said:
I thought that in KY pronunciation is county specific, no?
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Oh, indubitably. I can barely understand a true born and bred Eastern Kentuckian from "up in the hollers so far they have to pipe the daylight in". And my father WAS one. He, too, pronounced Louisville entirely incorrectly. Loueavuhl. Say it ten times fast.
 
mshunter said:
I have a friend who works for a well known beverage company based out of Atlanta, that does have the Holy Grail job in a 91 department. He barely works, makes a lot of money, gets lots of time off, and has a known schedule. They treat their flight department like 121 with duty and flight times.
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The biggest problem with Part 91 is that you can come in tomorrow and the jet is sold and you're on the street.

Don't think it can happen at a big department? Look at what happened to the auto makers. The next CEO could come in and decide jets are mean to nature and you can either be let go or transfer to the training program for shepards and wood nymphs.

Sure, bad things happen to 121 outfits, but there's usually some lengthy buildup that provides plenty of warning. I've seen long time dudes at 91 outfits on the street without so much as a "this hurts us more than it hurts you" lie while security showed them to the door.

Companies may seem all peaches and cream, but when times are tough and the CEO is looking at a pinched bonus, that all goes out the window as everyone starts looking out for number 1.
 
Richman said:
The biggest problem with Part 91 is that you can come in tomorrow and the jet is sold and you're on the street.
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My best but growing up dad worked for Unocal as their chief pilot. He showed up to work on a monday, and the jets had been sold, after almost 20 years on the job.

91 is a fickle side of the industry that's either sink or swim. And when it sinks, it usually does it with zero warning.
 
adk said:
I understand what you're saying. Line flying has a way of sucking you to the middle of the bell curve and encouraging mediocracy, but you don't have to be just a line pilot. I get my "work hard, be satisfied" fix from volunteering on a union committee, and by being involved with a local charity. You can work in the training, recruiting, and/or safety departments at most airlines, even regionals. Many pilots also have a side business to get their entrepreneurial fix. Basically you'll find that an airline schedule gives you the time and ability to pursue other passions.
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This x1000
 
This dude nails it. Having grown up with my Dad in the same 135 gig for 20 years, I got to just love GA. If you happen to find a full time GA gig that pays decent, class act bosses, respectful to pilot decisions, and close to the amount if hours you aim for, plus medical, holiday bonuses and payed vacations (which I have) to move elsewhere or airlines it would have to be something extraordinary, at least in my case. And as long as United beatings, TSA, and mass crowds exist, I'll have job security. Best part is having lots of free time between flights,
 
MaRiO FDZ said:
This dude nails it. Having grown up with my Dad in the same 135 gig for 20 years, I got to just love GA. If you happen to find a full time GA gig that pays decent, class act bosses, respectful to pilot decisions, and close to the amount if hours you aim for, plus medical, holiday bonuses and payed vacations (which I have) to move elsewhere or airlines it would have to be something extraordinary, at least in my case. And as long as United beatings, TSA, and mass crowds exist, I'll have job security. Best part is having lots of free time between flights,
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Sounds like your at a Fedex feeder?
 
MaRiO FDZ said:
This dude nails it. Having grown up with my Dad in the same 135 gig for 20 years, I got to just love GA. If you happen to find a full time GA gig that pays decent, class act bosses, respectful to pilot decisions, and close to the amount if hours you aim for, plus medical, holiday bonuses and payed vacations (which I have) to move elsewhere or airlines it would have to be something extraordinary, at least in my case. And as long as United beatings, TSA, and mass crowds exist, I'll have job security. Best part is having lots of free time between flights,
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I remember my fist beer...
 
Caveat, I didn't watch the video.

But to say "my job is better than your job" is horsecrap and making blanket statements about any segment of the industry is also horsecrap, with a few minor exceptions*. Prior to the job I have now, I would have loved to have worked for a major. But my QOL can't be beat, and if I was to get hired by a major, I would have to commute since there are no major airlines with a crew base within reasonable driving distance of where I want to live. I don't have any office work, the management company takes care of all the trip planning, (aside from domestic flight plans), I don't clean the airplane aside from tidying up the cabin if needed on the road (with an average pax load of two, there is pretty much nothing to do aside from straightening seatbelts), I wear a polo and slacks for a uniform, my boss pays for my insurance, and I make more money than I know what to do with. Between June 1st and October 1st, I will have worked 16 days, assuming the schedule stays like it currently looks. I can do as much contract flying as I would like, and the going rate is $1200 a day for the type of airplane I fly.

Could working for a major be better? Maybe. It'd be nice to have a better 401k match and/or a pension, and being able to pick and choose where and when I fly would be cool, and having some of the protections a union offers would be nice. But its hard to beat driving up to the airplane, throwing my clubs in the back, fly 3 hours, play free golf for the weekend, and then fly home. No job is ever 100% secure, but I'm willing to bet that this job that I have now isn't going anywhere. Lets hope I don't have to eat my words.

*I worked at a few awful 135's that a commuter would have been a huge step up in all aspects.
 
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