Why not the airlines!?!?!?!?

Inverted said:
It's a relative good though, there really is no such thing as the holy grail 91 gig where your schedule, pay, QOL, benefits, retirement, management and aircraft are all drastically above standard.

All, literally all the holy grail flight departments in the Bay Area turned out to be almost undesirable once you found out the nitty gritty. Not saying 121 is the holy grail by any stretch but I find my 121 carrier to be superior to every 135 gig I've owned.

I'm also vaguely familiar with Jet Select, they under pay, and overwork just like everyone else does. They also require initial and recurrent contracts. I'm super glad the guy is happy but wearing aviatiors indoors and telling everyone how awesome you are isn't very convincing.
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Agreed it's all relative. I've done the 135, and 121 thing. Like I said, the real good 91 gigs are few and far between. Unfortunately the majority of Bay Area gigs don't pay nearly enough, etc.

I'm definitely not sticking up for him or the video lol. I hope he's happy there.
 
*shrug*. I would certainly rather be at UPS (here in Loueavuhl <---definitive pronunciation) or Delta, but a regional? No thanks. It's all down to what's important to the individual. You know, like, there is no right answer that applies to everyone. Why is that so difficult? Maybe it's because none of us work! Nothing better to do than my Dad can beat up your Dad etc etc! :D
 
Boris Badenov said:
*shrug*. I would certainly rather be at UPS (here in Loueavuhl <---definitive pronunciation) or Delta, but a regional? No thanks. It's all down to what's important to the individual. You know, like, there is no right answer that applies to everyone. Why is that so difficult? Maybe it's because none of us work! Nothing better to do than my Dad can beat up your Dad etc etc! :D
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He mentioned delta so I assumed he wasn't talking about regionals. But yea no thx on an extended stay at a regional.
 
Question for the 121 types, especially the ones that consider themselves good pilots and had the pleasure of flying with not that phenomenal pilots - how does that seniority thing work out in the long run?

I mean, there's the union electricians and then there's the ones who own their little businesses and all that...

But what happens to the strive for perfection when it has no impact on your growth? That whole seniority vs meritocracy thing

PS Just a glass of good Merlot talking.
 
Oh yeah, I was responding to the responses to his response to people asking him dumb questions. Not to his response itself. If that's sufficiently responsive to your response.
 
BigZ said:
But what happens to the strive for perfection when it has no impact on your growth? That whole seniority vs meritocracy thing

PS Just a glass of good Merlot talking.
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Not an airline guy but I'm pretty sure you're going to have the anvil of Pro Standards etc dropped on your poor head. And hey, that may even be right, I've no idea. They do seem to do a very, very SMALL amount of crashing over in 121...

Now get yourself a bourbon, Nancy.
 
BigZ said:
Question for the 121 types, especially the ones that consider themselves good pilots and had the pleasure of flying with not that phenomenal pilots - how does that seniority thing work out in the long run?

I mean, there's the union electricians and then there's the ones who own their little businesses and all that...

But what happens to the strive for perfection when it has no impact on your growth? That whole seniority vs meritocracy thing

PS Just a glass of good Merlot talking.
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We have seniority...not tenure. We can, and will get fired for failing to perform our duties adequately. As far as going above and beyond? Well, there really isn't a whole lot of room for that. You're either doing your job, or you aren't.
 
BigZ said:
Question for the 121 types, especially the ones that consider themselves good pilots and had the pleasure of flying with not that phenomenal pilots - how does that seniority thing work out in the long run?

I mean, there's the union electricians and then there's the ones who own their little businesses and all that...

But what happens to the strive for perfection when it has no impact on your growth? That whole seniority vs meritocracy thing

PS Just a glass of good Merlot talking.
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Lol... what?

So the only reason to take pride in your work is in order to get ahead career wise? Instead of you know, just taking pride in your work for the sake of personal satisfaction? Is it silly to want to do a good job for my passengers even though it has absolutely no bearing on when I move over to the left seat?

There are cases of "striving for perfection" getting people places too.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Not an airline guy but I'm pretty sure you're going to have the anvil of Pro Standards etc dropped on your poor head. And hey, that may even be right, I've no idea. They do seem to do a very, very SMALL amount of crashing over in 121...

Now get yourself a bourbon, Nancy.
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Can't, gotta be busy being "one of out schools top CFI's" for 12 hrs tomorrow.

poser765 said:
We have seniority...not tenure. We can, and will get fired for failing to perform our duties adequately. As far as going above and beyond? Well, there really isn't a whole lot of room for that. You're either doing your job, or you aren't.
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That's understood. I also understand that you get the imaginary medal for 20 years of service or 10000 safe hours, not making it to the gate before schedule while burning less fuel etc, but how do you keep the inner self satisfied if all you gotta do is do your job good enough?
 
JordanD said:
Lol... what?

So the only reason to take pride in your work is in order to get ahead career wise? Instead of you know, just taking pride in your work for the sake of personal satisfaction? Is it silly to want to do a good job for my passengers even though it has absolutely no bearing on when I move over to the left seat?

There are cases of "striving for perfection" getting people places too.
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There's the internal motivation and external motivation.
All good with the internal, but I have seen oh so many people burn out when operating solely on internal for a long time.
I am giving 121 some though, just can't say everything computes based on prior life experiences
 
BigZ said:
There's the internal motivation and external motivation.
All good with the internal, but I have seen oh so many people burn out when operating solely on internal for a long time.
I am giving 121 some though, just can't say everything computes based on prior life experiences
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Many 121 pilots get satisfaction in life from doing things other then their jobs. Don't always need an atta boy at work to be ok with a job. Mmmto is what matters.
 
BigZ said:
Question for the 121 types, especially the ones that consider themselves good pilots and had the pleasure of flying with not that phenomenal pilots - how does that seniority thing work out in the long run?

I mean, there's the union electricians and then there's the ones who own their little businesses and all that...

But what happens to the strive for perfection when it has no impact on your growth? That whole seniority vs meritocracy thing

PS Just a glass of good Merlot talking.
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I've flown with people that could uh... use some extra help. So that's what we do. We help them. Team effort. As a bonus, it turns out that being able to teach material not only demonstrates mastery, but it's also a good way to always be fresh on it.
Oh and everyone needs some help from time to time.
 
Inverted said:
It's a relative good though, there really is no such thing as the holy grail 91 gig where your schedule, pay, QOL, benefits, retirement, management and aircraft are all drastically above standard.

All, literally all the holy grail flight departments in the Bay Area turned out to be almost undesirable once you found out the nitty gritty. Not saying 121 is the holy grail by any stretch but I find my 121 carrier to be superior to every 135 gig I've owned.

I'm also vaguely familiar with Jet Select, they under pay, and overwork just like everyone else does. They also require initial and recurrent contracts. I'm super glad the guy is happy but wearing aviatiors indoors and telling everyone how awesome you are isn't very convincing.
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I have a friend who works for a well known beverage company based out of Atlanta, that does have the Holy Grail job in a 91 department. He barely works, makes a lot of money, gets lots of time off, and has a known schedule. They treat their flight department like 121 with duty and flight times.
 
He must have read the other thread about the movement over at Southernjets, just doesn't want to chase an upgrade.

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