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Delta Connection does not train to airline standards

A uniform, FSM and a checklist does not constitute airline standards.

For you Delta Connection students, on your next flight order the instructor to preflight the airplane, clean the windows, fondle the radio's and on your command drop the flaps or gear. Let us know what happen's.
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I love this forum. Whenever I am having a bad day I read some of the posts and laugh. I think not getting hired at DCA has been a good thing. I have retired my hip waders now that I do not have to walk through the waist deep BS , actually I think from what I hear it's about chest deep now (I still have inside sources).
By the way I hear DCA's xmas party was a bust. The guy that won the Delta full motion sim time doesn't even have a pilot's license. Makes you wonder.
 
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Delta Connection does not train to airline standards


A uniform, FSM and a checklist does not constitute airline standards.

For you Delta Connection students, on your next flight order the instructor to preflight the airplane, clean the windows, fondle the radio's and on your command drop the flaps or gear. Let us know what happen's.
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Just for starters, DCA Instructors are required to preflight the airplane witih the student, following the checklist. I often clean the windshield myself as many instructors like to do.

As far as "fondling the radio"... "droping flaps or gear"... I assume you mean in flight...

Because of the requirements of the certificates issued, students are trained to single pilot operations. So we refrain from operating the aircraft unless there is a safety of flight issue, or it is a demonstration for the purpose of training.

CRM and multi crew operations are introduced in the Airline Bridge Program.

Uniform, FSM and Checklist are just elements of a whole system. We train to DCA standards, wich are tougher than most, if now all FBO's out there.

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I love this forum. Whenever I am having a bad day I read some of the posts and laugh. I think not getting hired at DCA has been a good thing. I have retired my hip waders now that I do not have to walk through the waist deep BS , actually I think from what I hear it's about chest deep now (I still have inside sources).
By the way I hear DCA's xmas party was a bust. The guy that won the Delta full motion sim time doesn't even have a pilot's license. Makes you wonder.

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Too bad your inside sources did not tell you what happend... perhaps to make you feel better about yourself?

The "guy that won the full motion sim" happened to be a woman...

And since not all participants of the X-mas party were pilots, she was the one that got her number picked out of the hat...

I am glad this site makes you laugh though...it often does the same for me!



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We train to DCA standards, wich are tougher than most, if now all FBO's out there.


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ok so we get it already that you know how to troll. The real question is: can you carry on a discussion without shovling the bu!![censored] at us?
 
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I love this forum. Whenever I am having a bad day I read some of the posts and laugh. I think not getting hired at DCA has been a good thing. I have retired my hip waders now that I do not have to walk through the waist deep BS , actually I think from what I hear it's about chest deep now (I still have inside sources).
By the way I hear DCA's xmas party was a bust. The guy that won the Delta full motion sim time doesn't even have a pilot's license. Makes you wonder.

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I dunno what qualifies a bust, but I had fun at the party and afterwards
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I don't think you are required to have a pilots license to win a trip to Delta. Not sure why that makes you wonder. I know I think it would be pretty sweet, license or not. Hey, if she does not want it, I'm sure she will have no trouble finding takers. BTW, I'm sure you know, since you have "insiders", there are many people here at DCA that are not pilots. I don't think it would be very nice if we excluded them from the door prizes. Quite the "insider" indeed. It seems you are really starting to reach when you complain about management thrown parties.
 
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We train to DCA standards, wich are tougher than most, if now all FBO's out there.


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ok so we get it already that you know how to troll. The real question is: can you carry on a discussion without shovling the bu!![censored] at us?

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Hey Montana, I think ol' Fabio was just trying to bait you a little bit there. Alot of us here come from an FBO background, myself included. I think he just misses "chatting" with you.
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I don't think you are required to have a pilots license to win a trip to Delta. Not sure why that makes you wonder. I know I think it would be pretty sweet, license or not. Hey, if she does not want it, I'm sure she will have no trouble finding takers. .

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Win a ticket to a full motion airliner sim? ehhhhh.......

I'd sell that in a heartbeat to the highest bidder. Make some good cash!

Or give it to charity
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I was looking at the trip from an instructors standpoint. I think it is a crime what they pay and to have someone from management win the trip versus an instructor who would appreciate the trip a bit more. Great morale booster. That's like giving away a Mercedes and the president just happens to win it. Oh wait tha already happened. DCA makes their money off the instructors and to continually give them the shaft and expect the bulk of them to be happy doesn't add up.
 
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I was looking at the trip from an instructors standpoint. I think it is a crime what they pay and to have someone from management win the trip versus an instructor who would appreciate the trip a bit more. Great morale booster. That's like giving away a Mercedes and the president just happens to win it. Oh wait tha already happened. DCA makes their money off the instructors and to continually give them the shaft and expect the bulk of them to be happy doesn't add up.

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You're preaching to the choir, man. I'm very aware that the instructer pay/student charge is very much out of proportion. However, I knew what I would be paid, if I got hired, before I started here so it's not like that gets dropped on you in standz class or anything. But I digress...

I'm not sure if you heard or not but there have been many instructors and students sent, for free, up to the Hotlanta for the trip. So they have been giving them away to us.

Now you have two "insiders"
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Most of the people that I started with are in pvt and ins group. I really saw the light after multi and I knew I didn't want to work there. Where else can you go where the chief CFI and the head of CFI group are a couple of drunks. I had the pleasure of watching ol wild bill doodle on his notepad during my interview. I have a serious lack of respect for that. Totally unprofessional in my opinion. I don't think they do that in airline interviews at least I hope not. That place needs some upper management that bring respect to that place not just salesman.
 
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Delta Connection does not train to airline standards


A uniform, FSM and a checklist does not constitute airline standards.

For you Delta Connection students, on your next flight order the instructor to preflight the airplane, clean the windows, fondle the radio's and on your command drop the flaps or gear. Let us know what happen's.
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Just for starters, DCA Instructors are required to preflight the airplane witih the student, following the checklist. I often clean the windshield myself as many instructors like to do.

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It has'nt always been that way or maybe the policy is just loosely applied. I remember a stage check I had that the check pilot instructed me to go preflight the plane and clean the windows and he would be right with me. Since I had never heard of or been instructed to clean the windows on any previous flights I had a big laugh and went about my buisness of preflighting the airplane. The windows did'nt get cleaned. I later found out he was serious, not from him but from my instructor.

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As far as "fondling the radio"... "dropping flaps or gear"... I assume you mean in flight...

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But of course and on my command
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If you had seen the light by multi, than why bother continuing through CFI and CFII? Seems like if you were so wise you would have moved on two ratings before you interviewed.

I did not realize it was a bad thing to take notes in interviews. He took notes in my interview, just like all the other job interviews I've done before DCA. If taking notes is a bad thing, please let me know, cause I've got a bone to pick with several companies I've worked for.
 
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I had the pleasure of watching ol wild bill doodle on his notepad during my interview. I have a serious lack of respect for that. Totally unprofessional in my opinion. I don't think they do that in airline interviews at least I hope not.

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I hate to say it young neophyte Joepilot, but you have much to learn and experience.
 
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I can tell you that the higher ups at DCA do lack professionalism. One time like 4-5 of em (Larry Wade, Pat Murphy, Richard Morris, Gary something and I think another guy) came down to JU to do some kind of presentation. The Powerpoint they used looked like they made it in the rental car on the way from the airport to JU. They were making unfunny jokes the whole time and many of the students were embarassed for them. Me and another guy were in the back of the room trying to contain our laughter. At the end of the presentation they had a few slides that contained each of the guys total flight hours and some other useless info. It was very awkward.......
 
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If you had seen the light by multi, than why bother continuing through CFI and CFII?


I was there when you got to do your CFII if you got hired. I think the rules were changed on that to squeeze a little more money out. I have since finshed my CFII and MEI elsewhere and alot cheaper..
 
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Okay, then why did you not quit before CFI if you did not want to work there? That would have been a good chance if you were that unhappy.

I did the training the old way too. If you get hired then you do your CFII. I did not like that at all. I would much prefer the way it is now if I was a student. In the old way, when I got hired, I still did not feel like I was, because I still had the CFII thing to worry about. The new way makes much more sense. I don't know why they changed it but perhaps it was to smooth the transition for the student and not to make more money. I'm a pretty cynical person but, man, I still try to give the occasional benefit of the doubt. BTW, how does it end up costing the students more if they do it this way as opposed to the old way.
 
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Okay, then why did you not quit before CFI if you did not want to work there? That would have been a good chance if you were that unhappy.

I did the training the old way too. If you get hired then you do your CFII. I did not like that at all. I would much prefer the way it is now if I was a student. In the old way, when I got hired, I still did not feel like I was, because I still had the CFII thing to worry about. The new way makes much more sense. I don't know why they changed it but perhaps it was to smooth the transition for the student and not to make more money. I'm a pretty cynical person but, man, I still try to give the occasional benefit of the doubt. BTW, how does it end up costing the students more if they do it this way as opposed to the old way.

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Well, it seems to me that if you have to do your CFI-I before the hiring process, you would pay Comair rates, but still have some uncertainty about your getting hired. If you aren't hired, then you lose the difference between Comair rates and what you could get your II for elsewhere.

In the other situation (getting hired before your CFI-I), if you KNOW you aren't hired, you can do your II somewhere else for much cheaper.

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We train to DCA standards, wich are tougher than most, if now all FBO's out there.


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ok so we get it already that you know how to troll. The real question is: can you carry on a discussion without shovling the bu!![censored] at us?

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It is funny to see you all worked up whenever your pride gets hurt...

If you think I am shoveling B.S. ... perhaps it is to increase the size of the mound you have started....
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If you're current and proficient, I can add on a CFI-I rating really quickly...and cheap!! And Good!!

Can't guarantee a job, but I sure as heck can save you a few thousand...
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