What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?
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DE727UPS
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Re: Foxtofly
"And that makes you how old?"
I'm 43.
Thanks for your answers. That's all I was looking for....
"It is that we are the only school with a contract with all the Delta Connection carriers, not just one of them."
Maybe we are getting close to an answer...maybe not. What does your "contract" with the DCA carriers really mean? Skywest? Is Skywest a Delta Connection carrier? Does Skywest guarantee interviews to DCA "grads"?
My research shows (from the DCA web site) that the guaranteed interview goes to Comair, ASA, Chataqua, and ACA. I guess what I find misleading about the boilerplate is when DCA says "we are the only school to service ALL the DCA carriers", to me they are implying much more than just the four mentioned above (which would include Skywest)
Also, not sure of the details yet. But Delta furloughees may soon be filling slots at Comair and ASA, per their new contract with Delta...thus requiring less hiring of DCA grads. You may get your interview to fill the agenda of the marketing agreement...but if the jobs are filled by Delta furlougees, you'll be outta luck.
Just speculation on my part...someone with more info on the new Delta contract would know better.
"And that makes you how old?"
I'm 43.
Thanks for your answers. That's all I was looking for....
"It is that we are the only school with a contract with all the Delta Connection carriers, not just one of them."
Maybe we are getting close to an answer...maybe not. What does your "contract" with the DCA carriers really mean? Skywest? Is Skywest a Delta Connection carrier? Does Skywest guarantee interviews to DCA "grads"?
My research shows (from the DCA web site) that the guaranteed interview goes to Comair, ASA, Chataqua, and ACA. I guess what I find misleading about the boilerplate is when DCA says "we are the only school to service ALL the DCA carriers", to me they are implying much more than just the four mentioned above (which would include Skywest)
Also, not sure of the details yet. But Delta furloughees may soon be filling slots at Comair and ASA, per their new contract with Delta...thus requiring less hiring of DCA grads. You may get your interview to fill the agenda of the marketing agreement...but if the jobs are filled by Delta furlougees, you'll be outta luck.
Just speculation on my part...someone with more info on the new Delta contract would know better.
stuckingfk
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Re: Foxtofly
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Ignorant.
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Nice Sh*ttyB, I wouldn't throw that word around, especially after you showed the JC crowd how half-witted you are from your post.
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Ignorant.
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Nice Sh*ttyB, I wouldn't throw that word around, especially after you showed the JC crowd how half-witted you are from your post.
H46Bubba
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
That would be up to those particular DCI carriers. ASA for sure, but Comair hasn't changed their stand on the seniority number issue. They'll be a$$ed out if they continue on that path, if not already so, when Delta hires again. It's a big can of worms I don't want to open up here. I for one don't agree with it, but who am I?
That would be up to those particular DCI carriers. ASA for sure, but Comair hasn't changed their stand on the seniority number issue. They'll be a$$ed out if they continue on that path, if not already so, when Delta hires again. It's a big can of worms I don't want to open up here. I for one don't agree with it, but who am I?
Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
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That would be up to those particular DCI carriers. ASA for sure, but Comair hasn't changed their stand on the seniority number issue. They'll be a$$ed out if they continue on that path, if not already so, when Delta hires again. It's a big can of worms I don't want to open up here. I for one don't agree with it, but who am I?
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...But worm can opening is fun!!!!!!
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That would be up to those particular DCI carriers. ASA for sure, but Comair hasn't changed their stand on the seniority number issue. They'll be a$$ed out if they continue on that path, if not already so, when Delta hires again. It's a big can of worms I don't want to open up here. I for one don't agree with it, but who am I?
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...But worm can opening is fun!!!!!!
PhilosopherPilot
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
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That would be up to those particular DCI carriers. ASA for sure, but Comair hasn't changed their stand on the seniority number issue. They'll be a$$ed out if they continue on that path, if not already so, when Delta hires again. It's a big can of worms I don't want to open up here. I for one don't agree with it, but who am I?
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...But worm can opening is fun!!!!!!
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Mike, so is opening a can of whoop-a$$...hehehe
Is this really worth writing about anymore? I think it is obvious to any outsiders (i.e. prospective students) that these Comair Academy (DCA for the Kool-Aid drinkers) people have been drinking a lot of Kool-Aid, and walking through the deep BS.
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That would be up to those particular DCI carriers. ASA for sure, but Comair hasn't changed their stand on the seniority number issue. They'll be a$$ed out if they continue on that path, if not already so, when Delta hires again. It's a big can of worms I don't want to open up here. I for one don't agree with it, but who am I?
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...But worm can opening is fun!!!!!!
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Mike, so is opening a can of whoop-a$$...hehehe
Is this really worth writing about anymore? I think it is obvious to any outsiders (i.e. prospective students) that these Comair Academy (DCA for the Kool-Aid drinkers) people have been drinking a lot of Kool-Aid, and walking through the deep BS.
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DE727UPS
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CH46Bubba
I'm not sure how this will play out, either. I wish you luck....
Maybe the marketing boilerplate "being owned by Delta makes all the difference" will take on a new light....in a negative way.
One way to look at it is how many Delta furloughees really want to be F/O's at Comair or ASA?
Another way to look at it is if Comair is interviewing a Delta furloughee and a DCA grad....who's gonna look like the better candidate? That's some tough competition for a limited number of seats....
I'm not sure how this will play out, either. I wish you luck....
Maybe the marketing boilerplate "being owned by Delta makes all the difference" will take on a new light....in a negative way.
One way to look at it is how many Delta furloughees really want to be F/O's at Comair or ASA?
Another way to look at it is if Comair is interviewing a Delta furloughee and a DCA grad....who's gonna look like the better candidate? That's some tough competition for a limited number of seats....
FO_SHIZZLE
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Re: DE727UPS
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Maybe we are getting close to an answer...maybe not. What does your "contract" with the DCA carriers really mean? Skywest? Is Skywest a Delta Connection carrier? Does Skywest guarantee interviews to DCA "grads"?
My research shows (from the DCA web site) that the guaranteed interview goes to Comair, ASA, Chataqua, and ACA. I guess what I find misleading about the boilerplate is when DCA says "we are the only school to service ALL the DCA carriers", to me they are implying much more than just the four mentioned above (which would include Skywest)
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Well they are a Delta Connection Carrier and apparently we do have a guaranteed interview with them. I know a couple of people who chose Sykwest as their guaranteed interview and are flying for them (EMB-120 I think). I know of several more that plan to interview with them. I dunno why others don't interview with them but the interviews seem to go in spurts with companies. People tend to interview where they know someone that was hired so they have someone's "brain to pick" over the interview, company, etc. For instance I know that only one of my interviews is "guaranteed" so I would rather go somewhere that, in my mind, will give me the best chance of being hired, even if maybe I prefer one company over the other. I think Skywest is a great company but I don't know anyone who has interviewed there in the past several months, however I know several people that have interviewed with Chautauqua recently and have been hired. If I had to interview today I bet you could guess where I would choose to interview.
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Maybe we are getting close to an answer...maybe not. What does your "contract" with the DCA carriers really mean? Skywest? Is Skywest a Delta Connection carrier? Does Skywest guarantee interviews to DCA "grads"?
My research shows (from the DCA web site) that the guaranteed interview goes to Comair, ASA, Chataqua, and ACA. I guess what I find misleading about the boilerplate is when DCA says "we are the only school to service ALL the DCA carriers", to me they are implying much more than just the four mentioned above (which would include Skywest)
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Well they are a Delta Connection Carrier and apparently we do have a guaranteed interview with them. I know a couple of people who chose Sykwest as their guaranteed interview and are flying for them (EMB-120 I think). I know of several more that plan to interview with them. I dunno why others don't interview with them but the interviews seem to go in spurts with companies. People tend to interview where they know someone that was hired so they have someone's "brain to pick" over the interview, company, etc. For instance I know that only one of my interviews is "guaranteed" so I would rather go somewhere that, in my mind, will give me the best chance of being hired, even if maybe I prefer one company over the other. I think Skywest is a great company but I don't know anyone who has interviewed there in the past several months, however I know several people that have interviewed with Chautauqua recently and have been hired. If I had to interview today I bet you could guess where I would choose to interview.
H46Bubba
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Re: CH46Bubba
Don, Thank you for the words. As long as I've been at this school, I've pretty much seen most instructors go to Chautauqua with Comair close behind. ASA is starting to hire some of our guys again, since they resumed hiring again after upgrading all the EMB-120 pilots to the ATR and CRJ. There have been several who got on with SkyWest. Most that were hired by SkyWest did so on their own merits without help from the school. I've pretty much got my sites on ASA or SkyWest. I think I'm one of the few that want to start off in a turboprop! I know several of my past instructors, at my previous FBO that are EMB-120 pilots at SkyWest who will give me a letter when I get enough hours to apply at SkyWest. I just take it day by day and don't get ahead of myself in getting to the airlines.
Don, Thank you for the words. As long as I've been at this school, I've pretty much seen most instructors go to Chautauqua with Comair close behind. ASA is starting to hire some of our guys again, since they resumed hiring again after upgrading all the EMB-120 pilots to the ATR and CRJ. There have been several who got on with SkyWest. Most that were hired by SkyWest did so on their own merits without help from the school. I've pretty much got my sites on ASA or SkyWest. I think I'm one of the few that want to start off in a turboprop! I know several of my past instructors, at my previous FBO that are EMB-120 pilots at SkyWest who will give me a letter when I get enough hours to apply at SkyWest. I just take it day by day and don't get ahead of myself in getting to the airlines.
planediveguy
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Re: Foxtofly
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"So it seems that this relationship makes some of you "unconfortable" .... why is that ?"
What makes me uncomfortable is DCA uses their "relationship" with Delta as a selling point and a reason why they are a superior school. I don't think Delta owning DCA has any impact on SQUAT about DCA being a good school or not. Yet it's huge in their marketing. In what ways does Delta owning DCA effect training at DCA? Besides ID90's.
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It does affect our training... some of our checklists and Flight Standards Manuals (something that you that fly for airlines know about but some FBO and other guys don't have a clue) have been changed to reflect the way Delta Connection Carriers do. That was requested from Delta. Our FSM are now sent to Delta for approval before any changes take place.
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Saying it's just marketing fluff and doesn't mean anything and that I should just shut up about the whole marketing thing is a perfectly acceptable answer.
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You know that it is a marketing advantatge to be able to claim that DCA is the only school owned by a Major Airline... it would be stupid not to take advantage of this fact. Wouldn't you do the same if you were in charge of marketing? Let's say that UPS ( just an exercise, OK?) Bought a FBO and asked the insttructors to train to UPS standards... guaranteeing an interview to the students that completed the program... Wouldn't you advertise that if you worked in the marketing department of that FBO?
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"So it seems that this relationship makes some of you "unconfortable" .... why is that ?"
What makes me uncomfortable is DCA uses their "relationship" with Delta as a selling point and a reason why they are a superior school. I don't think Delta owning DCA has any impact on SQUAT about DCA being a good school or not. Yet it's huge in their marketing. In what ways does Delta owning DCA effect training at DCA? Besides ID90's.
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It does affect our training... some of our checklists and Flight Standards Manuals (something that you that fly for airlines know about but some FBO and other guys don't have a clue) have been changed to reflect the way Delta Connection Carriers do. That was requested from Delta. Our FSM are now sent to Delta for approval before any changes take place.
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Saying it's just marketing fluff and doesn't mean anything and that I should just shut up about the whole marketing thing is a perfectly acceptable answer.
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You know that it is a marketing advantatge to be able to claim that DCA is the only school owned by a Major Airline... it would be stupid not to take advantage of this fact. Wouldn't you do the same if you were in charge of marketing? Let's say that UPS ( just an exercise, OK?) Bought a FBO and asked the insttructors to train to UPS standards... guaranteeing an interview to the students that completed the program... Wouldn't you advertise that if you worked in the marketing department of that FBO?
planediveguy
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
Philosopher pilot.... wht is the flavor of the kool-aid you drink at FSI??????
Philosopher pilot.... wht is the flavor of the kool-aid you drink at FSI??????
planediveguy
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
YEAH!!!!
YEAH!!!!
montanapilot
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
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It does affect our training... some of our checklists and Flight Standards Manuals (something that you that fly for airlines know about but some FBO and other guys don't have a clue) have been changed to reflect the way Delta Connection Carriers do.
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OMG all these months I've been flyin the 172 using the POH as a checklist, but i since I havent used the "airline approved" checklists I guess i m screwed for all future interviews.
So tell us how exactly do you fly your 152/172s 'airline style'.
Do you have pushbacks, PA briefing practice, and simulated GPU starts? hahaha LMAO.
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It does affect our training... some of our checklists and Flight Standards Manuals (something that you that fly for airlines know about but some FBO and other guys don't have a clue) have been changed to reflect the way Delta Connection Carriers do.
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OMG all these months I've been flyin the 172 using the POH as a checklist, but i since I havent used the "airline approved" checklists I guess i m screwed for all future interviews.
So tell us how exactly do you fly your 152/172s 'airline style'.
Do you have pushbacks, PA briefing practice, and simulated GPU starts? hahaha LMAO.
PhilosopherPilot
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
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Philosopher pilot.... wht is the flavor of the kool-aid you drink at FSI??????
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I don't drink Kool-Aid... I tell it like it is, wherever I am. I happen to like the FSI training I've received. I did my private in part 61 world, and I'm very, very glad I did, otherwise I wouldn't have any reference by which to make a comparison. I was lucky in that I had a very good FBO and instructor. Nothing frustrates me more than people making derogatory comments about "general aviation" pilots. Some of the best pilots I know fly only in the GA world. But I digress...
Anyway, I feel qualified to make objective observations. I was almost fooled by Comair Academy's marketing in 2002. (After lengthy discussions with instructors and students from Comair Academy, I decided to think more carefully about going there.) That is why I am so adamant about people doing solid research before the plunk down $50,000 on flight training.
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By the way, there are no hard feelings here toward Comair. As I've always said, my only goal is to get people to do research, and visit the schools! The truth comes out (whatever that may be) when they visit.
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Philosopher pilot.... wht is the flavor of the kool-aid you drink at FSI??????
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I don't drink Kool-Aid... I tell it like it is, wherever I am. I happen to like the FSI training I've received. I did my private in part 61 world, and I'm very, very glad I did, otherwise I wouldn't have any reference by which to make a comparison. I was lucky in that I had a very good FBO and instructor. Nothing frustrates me more than people making derogatory comments about "general aviation" pilots. Some of the best pilots I know fly only in the GA world. But I digress...
Anyway, I feel qualified to make objective observations. I was almost fooled by Comair Academy's marketing in 2002. (After lengthy discussions with instructors and students from Comair Academy, I decided to think more carefully about going there.) That is why I am so adamant about people doing solid research before the plunk down $50,000 on flight training.
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By the way, there are no hard feelings here toward Comair. As I've always said, my only goal is to get people to do research, and visit the schools! The truth comes out (whatever that may be) when they visit.
SmitteyB
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
I think it's safe to say you're going to spend almost $50,000 no matter where you go....50 or a derivitave of that. If you think about living costs, etc. It's not that much for some people, but thats one of the magic numbers I read on here. But you're right...I'm glad I did some searching before taking out $95,000 for Regional Airline Academy.
Brett
I think it's safe to say you're going to spend almost $50,000 no matter where you go....50 or a derivitave of that. If you think about living costs, etc. It's not that much for some people, but thats one of the magic numbers I read on here. But you're right...I'm glad I did some searching before taking out $95,000 for Regional Airline Academy.
Brett
planediveguy
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
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It does affect our training... some of our checklists and Flight Standards Manuals (something that you that fly for airlines know about but some FBO and other guys don't have a clue) have been changed to reflect the way Delta Connection Carriers do.
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OMG all these months I've been flyin the 172 using the POH as a checklist, but i since I havent used the "airline approved" checklists I guess i m screwed for all future interviews.
So tell us how exactly do you fly your 152/172s 'airline style'.
Do you have pushbacks, PA briefing practice, and simulated GPU starts? hahaha LMAO.
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Yeah all that and we akso have a coffee machine on board each 172 , wich the backseating flight attendant makes sure its fresh when we need it!!!!!!
It would be fun to watch you getting all worked up trying to figure out the need to know from the nice to know during your class.... and ask your friends here about this word : "Procedure" I am sure they will tell you that you will learn it during your initial FO training an it's no big deal.... But wait... Ahhh, never mind! There are no such thing as bad habits in aviation training....
-" you must unlearn what you have learned..." ( Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back )
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It does affect our training... some of our checklists and Flight Standards Manuals (something that you that fly for airlines know about but some FBO and other guys don't have a clue) have been changed to reflect the way Delta Connection Carriers do.
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OMG all these months I've been flyin the 172 using the POH as a checklist, but i since I havent used the "airline approved" checklists I guess i m screwed for all future interviews.
So tell us how exactly do you fly your 152/172s 'airline style'.
Do you have pushbacks, PA briefing practice, and simulated GPU starts? hahaha LMAO.
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Yeah all that and we akso have a coffee machine on board each 172 , wich the backseating flight attendant makes sure its fresh when we need it!!!!!!
It would be fun to watch you getting all worked up trying to figure out the need to know from the nice to know during your class.... and ask your friends here about this word : "Procedure" I am sure they will tell you that you will learn it during your initial FO training an it's no big deal.... But wait... Ahhh, never mind! There are no such thing as bad habits in aviation training....
-" you must unlearn what you have learned..." ( Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back )
pavelump
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Re: Quote from Delta contract summary
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So tell us how exactly do you fly your 152/172s 'airline style'.
Do you have pushbacks, PA briefing practice, and simulated GPU starts? hahaha LMAO.
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I once had MDW clearance tell me to contact ground when ready for pushback in my 152. I was like, "Uh, ok." I'm sure that he says that a million times a day to the big boys and just slipped up to me, but it was pretty funny.
Of course, not knowing the proper proceedure, I f*ed it up by just taxiing out to the edge of the ramp without waiting for the tug...
I always liked that blue windshield washer colored Kool-Aid myself. I think that it was called Berry Blue?
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So tell us how exactly do you fly your 152/172s 'airline style'.
Do you have pushbacks, PA briefing practice, and simulated GPU starts? hahaha LMAO.
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I once had MDW clearance tell me to contact ground when ready for pushback in my 152. I was like, "Uh, ok." I'm sure that he says that a million times a day to the big boys and just slipped up to me, but it was pretty funny.
Of course, not knowing the proper proceedure, I f*ed it up by just taxiing out to the edge of the ramp without waiting for the tug...
I always liked that blue windshield washer colored Kool-Aid myself. I think that it was called Berry Blue?
