What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?

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If you're current and proficient, I can add on a CFI-I rating really quickly...and cheap!! And Good!!

Can't guarantee a job, but I sure as heck can save you a few thousand...
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Hey Loyd...

What if the aviator happens to be a Marine too?!?!
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Marine pilots flying Harriers, I mean!
 
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Hey guys fairly new to this...

just wanted to say -- i have personal experience know a pilot who went to ATP after it taking him too long to finish his Commercial rating at DCA, DCA has HIGH STANDARDS their Standardisation Manual is written by a very well respected man *You know who you are if you're reading this* and he helped me a lot through the Student - Instructor Standardistaion class to become a paid instructor at the school -- all of these "standz" manual's are submitted to DELTA AIRLINES flight standards and they read them to make sure they are current with the format or the CRJ or Boeing 767 etc... so when our (DCA) pilots graduate the program they are fimiliar with the layout etc... for example our checklist for the C172 says,... 500 climb chk, climb power set... right there it's always going to be full power but getting it into the head of a student at that stage means that at Commercial level the checklist is embedded second nature, so when they recover from a stall in a PA-28R they don't leave the engine throttles wide open and let the thing break apart, it's the same process over and over again which makes the people there exceptional pilots -- in my own view -- now the guy i was talking about before left at Commerical level and wasn't ever big on flows or procedures -- yet within 2 months at ATP he'd achieved his COMM SEL, COMM MEL and CFI, CFII and MEI!!!! so you tell me if it takes a man 12 months to get procedures wrong at DCA and takes him 2 months to suddenly correct them all and become Chuck Yeager at ATP if you wonder why ATP doesn't have the connections that Delta Connection Academy has -- and it works, the effort you put in is what you'll get back, so thank you Richard, thank you Dave and thank's to my CFII Rick for all of your help while being there and i look forward to working with you guys at Comair or for you Rick Skywest.

I also know people who have gone to DCA in sanford and CHOSEN of their own free will to start drinking -- drive to a certain night club and drive back drunk with the green stuff under their seat, get pulled over and therefore loose roughtly $15000 from their licenses being suspended...

also... lets see about 50% of the people i started with at DCA didn''t have what it takes to cut it there -- didn't wanna study or be professional enough to learn checklists or understand holistically as to what they're trying to achieve, I think it's a DAMN good school and once again i thank the people there...

IF YOU'RE A "TYPE A" PERSON then it'll put u in your place, there is no place at that School for reckless pilots, people who are not professional or who are not willing to become professional, drunks, druggies, alcoholics or after girls -- it's a life changing career move and one that comes with a lot of responsibility -- im looking forward to mine and hopefulyl that will answer your dropout rate question --

to cut it short.. it's IRRELEVANT WHAT THE DROP OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE IS -- IF YOU WANT TO SUCEED AT ANYTHING THEN YOU WILL IF U'RE LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO BITCH ABOUT A PLACE LIKE IT SOUNDS THAT WAY THEN DONT BOTHER ASKING. Take a step back if you want to fly a CRJ in 2 years and can change into a professional pilot and have the energy to suceed then do it and stop looking for excuses as to why DCA may not be as better to another flight school -- it's what you make of it -- learn that and you'll be a lot happier in life.

Regards,

An English Guy
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If delta really played such a huge role in the school don't you think they would actually take the time to teach you how to spell their name? Its Delta Air Lines.


oh this is pretty typical. Admissions got riled up again and had to dredge up an instructor to talk up the school.

Funny how every single apologist blames, 'partiers, slackers, or those who can't hack it' as the reason for DCA's embarrasing dropout rate. Just some food for thought.
 
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just wanted to say -- i have personal experience know a pilot who went to ATP after it taking him too long to finish his Commercial rating at DCA, DCA has HIGH STANDARDS their Standardisation Manual is written by a very well respected man *You know who you are if you're reading this* and he helped me a lot through the Student - Instructor Standardistaion class to become a paid instructor at the school -- all of these "standz" manual's are submitted to DELTA AIRLINES flight standards and they read them to make sure they are current with the format or the CRJ or Boeing 767 etc... so when our (DCA) pilots graduate the program they are fimiliar with the layout etc... for example our checklist for the C172 says,... 500 climb chk, climb power set... right there it's always going to be full power but getting it into the head of a student at that stage means that at Commercial level the checklist is embedded second nature, so when they recover from a stall in a PA-28R they don't leave the engine throttles wide open and let the thing break apart, it's the same process over and over again which makes the people there exceptional pilots -- in my own view -- now the guy i was talking about before left at Commerical level and wasn't ever big on flows or procedures -- yet within 2 months at ATP he'd achieved his COMM SEL, COMM MEL and CFI, CFII and MEI!!!! so you tell me if it takes a man 12 months to get procedures wrong at DCA and takes him 2 months to suddenly correct them all and become Chuck Yeager at ATP if you wonder why ATP doesn't have the connections that Delta Connection Academy has -- and it works, the effort you put in is what you'll get back, so thank you Richard, thank you Dave and thank's to my CFII Rick for all of your help while being there and i look forward to working with you guys at Comair or for you Rick Skywest.

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That's one hellacious sentence!
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Can anybody say "Run On sentance" Jeez take a breath while you type!
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To class everyone who has left DCA and not instructed as "lazy and slackers" is just plain out of line and uncalled for. Who the hell do you think you are? You're one of those academy instructors, who's soaked up every little tidbit of propaganda thrown at you. It spews out of every pore of your body! You give all the good instructors a bad rap. Prospective students will see your arrogance in your post, and will question even more about coming to DCA.

I'm sure eveyone one of us knows someone who left to train elsewhere or ran out of funds. Are they slackers? I don't think so. DCA isn't for everyone. It shouldn't be. DCA has some outstanding training, but so do other FBO's out there. There were several arrogant instructor's who forgot to leave their arraogance behind at DCA and got thie wee wee's spanked during the interview and in training.
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The only thing Delta Air Lines Ops manuals have in common with DCA's is the gray cover (and DCA's werent gray until about a year ago). I dont think having the knowledge that Delta Air Lines Ops covers are gray is going to make it or break it at an interview.
 
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What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?

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I also know people who have gone to DCA in sanford and CHOSEN of their own free will to start drinking --

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From the way your post is written, you are perhaps one of these people???
 
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From my class of approximately 40, I knew ZERO that dropped out due to drinking, going to parties etc. I left due to financial reasons. I expected to go over the 'quoted' amount, I budgeted for it, but when I was raking up the bills at 25% more than expected (and not unsatting ONE flight or checkride, I left.) I wasn't going to file bankruptcy to pursue a career that would put me deeper into debt. I had a family we could not afford to remain in the school. I'd say about 10 of the people that dropped out from my class left for financial reasons, two I believe left because they couldn't hack it. What caught me off guard was the hundreds I had to spend on the PCATD's, which even all my instructors told me were pointless, the extra little fees, and other charges they fail to mention when you go through the song and dance of touring and orientation. I know that most of the others in my class have since left as well. For what reasons, I don't know for all of them, but the number one is usually finances....

Do I regret going to the school, no way. I enjoyed my time there, learned a LOT of information quicker than I know I would have an FBO, part 61 school (I study and work a lot better in a structured learning environment). I went to ATP for my Multi Commercial and blew the Examiner away with my knowledge. She said I was the best she'd seen in a while.

So yes, do I think DCA does a great job of teaching it's students? Definitely! Do they make them bend over and take it you know where financially? Definitely! They know they can continue to do so as well, people will always pay.
 
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DELTA AIRLINES

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If delta really played such a huge role in the school don't you think they would actually take the time to teach you how to spell their name? Its Delta Air Lines.


oh this is pretty typical. Admissions got riled up again and had to dredge up an instructor to talk up the school.

Funny how every single apologist blames, 'partiers, slackers, or those who can't hack it' as the reason for DCA's embarrasing dropout rate. Just some food for thought.

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In this Forum... heck yes there is a hand full of disgruntled guys and people that just like to hate something wasting their time in front of their computers... in case you wonder why I have not posted for a while.... I'd rather read the FARs...
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"wasting their time in front of their computers"

What you call wasting my time, if it has forewarned just one person to have a well deserved heads up about DCA, is well worth my time.

The day DCA puts a link to Jetcareers at it's site is the day I think DCA is interested in addressing it's shortcomings. Until then, I'd encourage the prospective student to educate himself on the pitfalls of DCA by reading this forum, and flightinfo.com, rather than listening to a recruiter or reading their marketing stuff.

Planediveguy, there are a lot of negative posts about your school here and at flightinfo. How do you explain that considering the relative lack of negative posts about FSA or ATP? It's easy to sit back and say each negative post is from a disgruntled student who had it coming to him. Yet, you don't see this at some of the other big academies forums. Why do you suppose that is?
 
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"wasting their time in front of their computers"

What you call wasting my time, if it has forewarned just one person to have a well deserved heads up about DCA, is well worth my time.

The day DCA puts a link to Jetcareers at it's site is the day I think DCA is interested in addressing it's shortcomings. Until then, I'd encourage the prospective student to educate himself on the pitfalls of DCA by reading this forum, and flightinfo.com, rather than listening to a recruiter or reading their marketing stuff.

Planediveguy, there are a lot of negative posts about your school here and at flightinfo. How do you explain that considering the relative lack of negative posts about FSA or ATP? It's easy to sit back and say each negative post is from a disgruntled student who had it coming to him. Yet, you don't see this at some of the other big academies forums. Why do you suppose that is?

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I know people that went to ATP and got their Multi add on in only 8 hours... when asked if they felt confortable flying, their answer was " No". They got a great sucker deal... a very cheap rating, but a very Expensive piece of paper since they are not conifdent about their flying skills...

Just because people don't post in these pathetic Forums, it doesn't mean they don't have their own problems.

I gotta get back to studying now....
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funny how when somebody posts something that embarasses admissions they have to dig you up to defend this sleazy operation. if these forums are so pathetic why are you still here?
 
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Montana- have you gotten signed off for your Private yet?
 
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You know you're a dork pilot when you make fun of other pilots that arent as 'highly rated' as you.
 
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*newsflash to jpilot* about a year ago mate, keep up or take notes dude!
 
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You know you're a dork pilot when you make fun of other pilots that arent as 'highly rated' as you.

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I would never make fun of those low-class student pilots.
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j/k
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Haven't you figured it out yet? It is purely for entertainment.

While I do respect someone that might have gotten the short end of the stick at DCA, most of the people (not all) that complain here are trying to make their case, and as so, tell it from one side only.

Admissions don't need me to post anything here and I was never asked to do so. As a matter of fact it was one of ours students that told me how bad was the information coming out of here.

Now we have somone like you that knows jack about the school and needs a "cause". So even though you are pathetic, it is still entertaining!
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*newsflash to jpilot* about a year ago mate, keep up or take notes dude!

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Damn, I'm behind the times!!. Congrats. Sorry about not keeping up with your accomplishments. I only take the time to read a few of the forums on here (the Comair forum being one of the few since I went there). I guess I missed the life and times of MontanaPilot forum.
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But as much as you post on the DCA forum, I'm surprised I didn't see it. My original question was actually legit. I was just wondering where you were at in your experiences to make constant claims about such a "sleazy operation". If you were talking about fly-by- night operations, or even ATA for that matter, I'd buy your comments, but DCA is not a "sleazy operation" as you put it. I believe it is still great training. Although it is much more pricey than when I went there, I believe they still come through in the end to get you where you want to go better than most flight schools out there. If that makes it sleazy, I must be looking at it all wrong. Boy, what was I thinking! Going to a school that gave me great training and helped me get me on with a top regional in not so good hiring times! I feel so used by DCA to pump up their numbers. What a sleazy outfit. Montana, where were you when I was looking at schools?
p.s. This is all in jest. You're "in-the-know" comments crack me up. I'd almost swear by your knowledge of the "facts" that you actually went to school at DCA.
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I've never been to DCA, but based on the overall comments at this forum, same at flightinfo, the joke that DCA calls marketing, and the CFI pay of $10 an hour, I have no problem telling those that ask me that I don't recommend DCA.

I've had the opportunity to discuss this at my pilot group forum, some PM's here at Jetcareers, and a few locals I've run into.

Those who are interested in a big academy, I point towards Mazzi, ATP, and Skymates. In the end, if they still wish to attend DCA, I wish them will and ask them to come here and voice their opinion.
 
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