What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?

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"Get over yourself, seriously. How old are you? I've almost got to believe that your posts are pure flame bait."

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I gotta admit that there is baiting at my posts... people at school are having fun with you all....

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Kinda reminds me of the time planediveguy inserted foot in mouth by saying 135 freight multi time isn't what the regionals are looking for...

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That I heard from the ASA Captain responsible for the hiring process... it came right out of her mouth and she said that they prefer someone that has had 1500 hours and was always taken out of the confort zone compared to the guy with 3000 hours that flew the same route and shot the same aproaches. Her words, not mine.

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Ever since then I've never taken anything he said seriously.

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You have figured it out, while the others get all pissed off. which in my book means you are the real thing.

So to keep it real:

DCA ads are just that, ads. The purpose of the ad is to encite curiosity. If you pick the ad line by line you will see that they are not incorrect. For instance -" Being owned by Delta means everything"

While that gives some of the folks here a stomach ulcer, it is not a lie. It means everything for someone....

I agree that all those statements combined can lead one to believe that if they attend the school they are guaranteed a job. Which is not true and that is not stated anywhere.

Just today I flew with a studens whose father flies for US Airways. I asked him how did he hear about the scholl and why did he choose it.... the answer:

-" Me and my Dad visited some of the big schools here in Florida ( I will not mention names, but as a clue I would say they "support" this site ) and my dad told me that DCA is the closest to how it is done in the airlines"....

He did not mention any ad.... and as a matter of fact not a single student that I came in contact with has told me that the "glossy ad" is what made them choose DCA.

A lot of students have parents that are Airline Captains and First Officers. From AirTran to Delta to Continental and USAirways to name a few... And I bet that if DCA used that in their ads they would be crucified...

So the way I see it, some of the disgruntled students and dropouts use sites like these to release their anger towards DCA. And I am here to balance the scale. I am not sayng that all complaints are without merit.... but not all of them deserve it.

By the way, I was born in January of '66
 
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"DCA ads are just that, ads. The purpose of the ad is to encite curiosity."

If there is one thing I've learned from this DCA stuff, it's that ads are full of BS. It's not just DCA. When I applied my "DCA standards" to other ads...it becomes hard for them all not to fail the test. The reason I'm more sensitive about DCA is that flight training is one thing I think I know a heck of a lot about...and airline pilot careers, too. So when I see ads that mislead in that catagory...I'm extra pissed off about it. When I see it in reference to something else...I'm nuetral about it. Does it make DCA any ads any less inaccurate...no. Does it make DCA marketing just like any other big companies marketing...yes.

"So the way I see it, some of the disgruntled students and dropouts use sites like these to release their anger towards DCA"

The way I see it, some of the disgruntled and dropouts use this forum to get their opinions out. To brand them as malcontents or losers is unfair...and that's what always happens.

"By the way, I was born in January of '66".

Damn your old...hehe...I was born in 1961.
 
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I think you're arrogant because of the content of your posts, which boast BS through and through. You're so full of yourself it's disgusting. DCA teaching that as part of their curriculum, or are you just a bad example for the school? I said that my beef wasn't with the school staff and instructors, I even noted them to be probably very competent, my beef was with the management. Obviously, you want this to be a beef with the instruction staff there. I'm optimisitc that you're just one bad example for the school and not representitive of it's overall staff attitude.

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The contents of my posts are not meant to please you in any form. I have direct experience with DCA, which you don't, and I am telling it the way I experience it. I don't have to kiss anyone's ass at DCA and won't do it. The chief flight instructor is a Scuba Diver and I have declined invitations to dive with him as not to be put in a situation where my reputation could be compromised.

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One of the pilots that I knew that had 140000 hours and flew for Executive Jets.... he passed away in a GA accident when his airplane wings clipped a tree... So the only hour that counts is the next one. I don't need to be reminded to the fact that I am new to this industry as I have stated that myself.

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Yeah, you're right, experience counts for nothing.......you really don't have a clue do you?

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That sentence "The only hour that counts is the next one" is not originally mine... but from someone with... more experience than you? (If that is humanely possible)

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Those without experience are normally the ones that fail to see the value in it. Of course the grim reaper can bite your ass at any time; in your case, and with your attitude, it's likely to be sooner than later. Youre so freaking green, you don't even have a clue how much you don't know. You'd be wise to know when it's time to open your pie hole and when it's time not to. Oh wait, you don't even have the experience to know that.

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You are so out of line here that makes that cry baby joke in the end of my last post to fit you like a glove.

While I am new to aviation, I have done risky things and had brushed against the Grim Reaper a couple of times. Being deep inside a sunken aircraft carrier at 160 feet with a limited supply of air when customers screw up and reduce the visibility to zero and panic, has taught me to be cautious. With all my years in diving I learned that the more you know the more you don't really know. After 6 seasons leading divers in some of the most challenging dives and with thousands of esposures I still hold the best safety record in that industry comparatively and I still feel like a begginer diver...

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And the time is overdue for all you guys to get over the ads...Do you post DCA ads over your dartboard? Use it as toilett paper? This might help you get over it. ...." Wahhhhhh, waaaaahhhh DCA has glossy ads that i don't like!, Waaaahhhh!".
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I had to leave that one there... now you guys imagine Artie Lang from the Howard Stern Show doing the cry baby thing above

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Get over yourself, seriously. How old are you? I've almost got to believe that your posts are pure flame bait.

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Please refer to my answer to 727...

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No matter. I'll likely be reading about you in due time in the NTSB files.......likely even be writing about you.........

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We never know what the future holds and when our time is due. If you really think that I am arrogant enough to fly recklessly and you make that conclusion by reading these posts... Oh, well you really don't know me... not your fault.

I used to brief my new divemasters on how to spot the customers that would require the most attention and would present the greatest threat to safety.: - " The customer (diver) that arrives telling you how many thousands of hours and experience he has and how good he is underwater, is the one you will spend most of your time taking care of:...

Watch that "next hour", will ya? We never know who will be rading about who in the future....

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"DCA ads are just that, ads. The purpose of the ad is to encite curiosity."

If there is one thing I've learned from this DCA stuff, it's that ads are full of BS. It's not just DCA. When I applied my "DCA standards" to other ads...it becomes hard for them all not to fail the test. The reason I'm more sensitive about DCA is that flight training is one thing I think I know a heck of a lot about...and airline pilot careers, too. So when I see ads that mislead in that catagory...I'm extra pissed off about it. When I see it in reference to something else...I'm nuetral about it. Does it make DCA any ads any less inaccurate...no. Does it make DCA marketing just like any other big companies marketing...yes.

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727 I can see your point, but is it worth your time getting pissed off about it?

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"So the way I see it, some of the disgruntled students and dropouts use sites like these to release their anger towards DCA"

The way I see it, some of the disgruntled and dropouts use this forum to get their opinions out. To brand them as malcontents or losers is unfair...and that's what always happens.

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Nope, not all of them are losers, some had a bad experience and that happens in any service industry... I won't get into the losers here, but if I tell you some of the stories you would be sad to hear them...

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"By the way, I was born in January of '66".

Damn your old...hehe...I was born in 1961.

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hey, don't you guys go making nicey-nice now. i tune in for the heated debates. i share a desk with planediveguy and i tell ya, he's a pretty nice guy at work, i usually have to come here to see him get all worked up. please don't take this one simple pleasure from me....
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and fabio, you are older than me, that does make you an old fart, July '68
 
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Those without experience are normally the ones that fail to see the value in it. Of course the grim reaper can bite your ass at any time; in your case, and with your attitude, it's likely to be sooner than later. Youre so freaking green, you don't even have a clue how much you don't know. You'd be wise to know when it's time to open your pie hole and when it's time not to. Oh wait, you don't even have the experience to know that.

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You are so out of line here that makes that cry baby joke in the end of my last post to fit you like a glove.

While I am new to aviation, I have done risky things and had brushed against the Grim Reaper a couple of times. Being deep inside a sunken aircraft carrier at 160 feet with a limited supply of air when customers screw up and reduce the visibility to zero and panic, has taught me to be cautious. With all my years in diving I learned that the more you know the more you don't really know. After 6 seasons leading divers in some of the most challenging dives and with thousands of esposures I still hold the best safety record in that industry comparatively and I still feel like a begginer diver...

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Diver? Good for you. I've got 14 years as a firefighter. What's the point? Neither have anything to do with aviation, though each have their levels of risk. Keep the learning going in aviation.
 
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" and my dad told me that DCA is the closest to how it is done in the airlines"....

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Oh please...spare me!!!!
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" and my dad told me that DCA is the closest to how it is done in the airlines"....

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Oh please...spare me!!!!
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I will spare you.... but if you want to talk to that student and hear it from him, let me know.
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MikeD and 727...

I stopped posting here because I get too worked up. Good job manning the fort though!

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Wow....it's amazing what a post that starts with a questionable question on enrollment figures can lead to!
 
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"I will spare you.... but if you want to talk to that student and hear it from him, let me know.
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I have no doubt that he said it. But please tell your student that ANY flight school will train you "closest to how it is done in the airlines"........... To takeoff, fly and land an airplane.
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no doubt.

Last time i checked, the same FAA that hands out certificates to "Connection" students still gives them to Mom and Pops flyin school students.
 
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How it's done in the airlines? Well, showing up about 30 minutes prior with a starbuck's-stained shirt. Doing all of the cockpit prep and staring out of the window at the rampers whizzing by in the tugs?
 
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How it's done in the airlines? Well, showing up about 30 minutes prior with a starbuck's-stained shirt. Doing all of the cockpit prep and staring out of the window at the rampers whizzing by in the tugs?

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Starbuck's? You must be one of those wealthy $300,000+/year airline pilots.
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As a lowly RJ pilot, the only starbuck's I get to enjoy is the wafting aroma as I pass by in the terminal. It's good for a quick buzz.
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Glad to see the personal crusades are still there to bash ol' DCA. Why you guys want to waste your time worrying about, as you say, "just the marketing" is beyond me. For whatever reason your axe to grind seems to be a bit on the extreme side. It makes for good entertainment to see people so enraged about "marketing and false ads". While you guys are on your crusade, the academy still trains, hires instructors, and then ships them off to the airlines every month in good times and in bad. That's there goal when they get there, if they do the work, that's the goal they get. Even if the school did do a better job in their marketing, (one that gets the nay sayers seal of approval) you guys would still grind the axe because you like the fight. Nothing like a good fight.
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I don't see any of their adds saying if you come here, we'll put you in the right seat of an airliner!!! Guaranteed!!! If you guys are reading that much into it, your naive. Or if you think the new guy looking at the ads isn't smart enough to figure out what's what, your being naive and pompously arrogant thinking that your smarter than they are in the way they deal with their choices.
And Montanapilot, I know your fairly new to the flying thing just getting your ratings now, but if you get your CFI and instruct, and you get a student with certs or ratings already, don't ever catch yourself saying "I don't know how this guy/girl got his/her _____(insert cert or rating here), they can't fly the plane to save their life". At this point you will realize, just because two people are the same pilots on paper, doesn't mean they are the same pilots in the air. You'll know what I mean when you get there.
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Now back to our regularly scheduled bashing...
 
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Agreed. I love the pilots on here who bash the 600TT DCA grad flying an RJ for Comair and say they would be scared to fly with them. Well guess what...they're jealous. Go ahead and instruct at the FBO...they'll see your 152 on the ramp from their CRJ. You'll look really cool.

Get over it. The bashers are academy drop outs or are people who have been brainwashed by this website that DCA, RAA, PanAm etc are hell holes.
 
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Agreed. I love the pilots on here who bash the 600TT DCA grad flying an RJ for Comair and say they would be scared to fly with them. Well guess what...they're jealous. Go ahead and instruct at the FBO...they'll see your 152 on the ramp from their CRJ. You'll look really cool.

Get over it. The bashers are academy drop outs or are people who have been brainwashed by this website that DCA, RAA, PanAm etc are hell holes.

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People can and do have bad experiences with places. There are others who have a great experience with the same place. Don't label someone a washout because they didn't have a good experience

Fact: DCA's marketing sucks and is very misleading. You cannot refute that.

Have you ever thought that maybe some pilots don't want to be in debt up to their eyeballs just to fly a CRJ making sh*t for pay? Obviously you haven't, because if you had you wouldn't make posts that sound like you have the education of a 4th grader.

You will go about two inches in this industry with the attitude you have. Try shutting up for a bit and listen to what others on this board have to say.
 
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Iruppert....there's no point in arguing with someone like SmitteyB.
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It's apparent from his post that he really doesn't have a clue about what he is commenting on.
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Iruppert....there's no point in arguing with someone like SmitteyB.
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It's apparent from his post that he really doesn't have a clue about what he is commenting on.
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No I, notice how it is a small L, like this l, lol. Just messing with you but it is a l.
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