What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?

It appears that there is no pleasing some people. I see this as a common thread on most of the sites. But ask yourself the question.....Do the majority of the people that got to DCA want to be ariline pilots?....YES. So, i would suggest that this is information that the average prospective customer might want to know. I know that if i had to do my training all over again and was looking for a route to an airline, this information would be great to have.
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You see it won't.

The school I go to doesn't feel the need to advertise the fact that all of our graduates go to an airline.

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What school do you attend?
 
your school wouldnt need to be defended if they didnt pump out the • in every claim they make.

Last time i checked there wasnt any "bashing" in the UND, ATP, FSI, Ari-Ben forums. Maybe your "direct route to the airlines"(LOL!!!) school should reconsider the lies they tell people. Then they wouldnt have to whine and cry to Doug when somebody hurts their feelings by telling it like it is.
 
i would like to know why you are so bitter? This thread started as a question about hiring ratios. An answer is given and all you have done is turned this thread it into your personnal bitc@$ng session. I am the first one to say that every school has their problems and, by the way, you are incorrect about there being no complaints about other schools. I have been reading these sites for about 1 1/2 years and i think that all of them have their issues, so lets not try and say that there is only 1 school that has issues.
 
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Telling it like it is....

A flight school that " don't feel the need to advertise that their pilots go to an airline"...may be they CAN'T advertise that at all... or are they so superior that they don't need it? B%$## S%$##@ is what that is...

Our numbers are posted and the instructors are getting hired. That is a FACT. And that is what makes all of you so mad...Ads? Cost? Sales Talk? Nahhh... Envy sucks....



Now watch all these guys get quick on their keyboards!!!!!

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Montanapilot:

Telling it like it is....

A flight school that " don't feel the need to advertise that their pilots go to an airline"...may be they CAN'T advertise that at all... or are they so superior that they don't need it? B%$## S%$##@ is what that is...

Our numbers are posted and the instructors are getting hired. That is a FACT. And that is what makes all of you so mad...Ads? Cost? Sales Talk? Nahhh... Envy sucks....



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So does arrogance........
 
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Yes and there is plenty of that to go around from you too...

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Nice try at the ole "throw it back at em" routine.

Too bad, though, that he's right and you're..........not.




MikeD (of anyone on this site) has the background to warrant him to be arrogant if he wanted. I've not seen him do so to date. I think he does an even-handed job of moderating on this site and speaking up when needed. And calling a spade a spade.
 
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Yes and there is plenty of that to go around from you too...

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Nice try at the ole "throw it back at em" routine.

Too bad, though, that he's right and you're..........not.




MikeD (of anyone on this site) has the background to warrant him to be arrogant if he wanted. I've not seen him do so to date. I think he does an even-handed job of moderating on this site and speaking up when needed. And calling a spade a spade.

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I am just tired of seeing these guys gettin all happy when someone with an axe to grind bashes the school. And they will believe anything that proves their point. That post that 727 got from the other forum is another example. All you have to do is dig into that forum to know that he copied and pasted what fit his agenda.

I can care less how much you kiss each others behind in this forum... but anytime someone bashes DCA it is received as "the Truth" but those that have a positive attitude and expereince from DCA are received with suspicion. ...Humm....

Don't expect politeness from me when these guys call DCA a @##$tty scholl and other bad names.

[I actually didn't edit anything in this post.....I accidentally posted my reply in this post, and had to remove it. My bad!.....MikeD]
 
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I can care less how much you kiss each others behind in this forum... but anytime someone bashes DCA it is received as "the Truth" but those that have a positive attitude and expereince from DCA are received with suspicion. ...Humm....

Don't expect politeness from me when these guys call DCA a @##$tty scholl and other bad names.

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I never said DCA is a #$%$tty school, and I certainly don't single them out from anyone else. I just don't believe they're truthful in some of their advertising, that's all. And to be fair, there's a number of other places that have the same glossy advertising. I'm sure the people teaching the ground and flying at DCA and the other academies are competent professionals......my beef certainly isn't with them. My beef is with the marketing techniques used by the management.

So for a CFI like you to tell me that I'm somehow envious of your school, is about as arrogant as one can get. I've done my time ten-times over, trust me, and don't need anything from any flight academy, FBO, or any other pilot factory. You, who's still an entry level CFI, doesn't have the experience to know much less preach about what the airlines need and don't need; since I'm sure your info is from the same management people creating the glossy ads.
 
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"That post that 727 got from the other forum is another example. All you have to do is dig into that forum to know that he copied and pasted what fit his agenda."

Yeah. I thought three or four times about posting that thread because it would seem to "fit my agenda", and I felt kinda guilty about that, but then I went ahead and posted it anyway as I thought it was a well written post from an insider. Did you notice the parts where he said he'd recommend DCA to others and he's still glad he's still at DCA...maybe you didn't read quite far enough down.

By the way...if it makes you feel any better, I won't be going to "the other" fourm, anymore.

"but anytime someone bashes DCA it is received as "the Truth" but those that have a positive attitude and expereince from DCA are received with suspicion. ...Humm...."

I think you give us way to much credit.

"Don't expect politeness from me when these guys call DCA a @##$tty scholl and other bad names."

I try to leave name calling and personal attacks out of it, unless I've sensed a similar lack of respect.
 
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The name calling was not aimed at you 727...

Some other guy was upset somewhere in this Forum and that was aimed at him.
 
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I can care less how much you kiss each others behind in this forum... but anytime someone bashes DCA it is received as "the Truth" but those that have a positive attitude and expereince from DCA are received with suspicion. ...Humm....

Don't expect politeness from me when these guys call DCA a @##$tty scholl and other bad names.

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I never said DCA is a #$%$tty school, and I certainly don't single them out from anyone else. I just don't believe they're truthful in some of their advertising, that's all. And to be fair, there's a number of other places that have the same glossy advertising. I'm sure the people teaching the ground and flying at DCA and the other academies are competent professionals......my beef certainly isn't with them. My beef is with the marketing techniques used by the management.

So for a CFI like you to tell me that I'm somehow envious of your school, is about as arrogant as one can get. I've done my time ten-times over, trust me, and don't need anything from any flight academy, FBO, or any other pilot factory. You, who's still an entry level CFI, doesn't have the experience to know much less preach about what the airlines need and don't need; since I'm sure your info is from the same management people creating the glossy ads.

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I guess you took that at heart! If you think I am arrogant because I think some people are envious... too bad! I was not talking about you specifically. And since I am not impressed with your show of muscles above...( I come from another industry where I too have my hours ten times over.... and in like in that industry, this one is also full of egoes, fluff and pretense)

One of the pilots that I knew that had 140000 hours and flew for Executive Jets.... he passed away in a GA accident when his airplane wings clipped a tree... So the only hour that counts is the next one. I don't need to be reminded to the fact that I am new to this industry as I have stated that myself.

And the time is overdue for all you guys to get over the ads...Do you post DCA ads over your dartboard? Use it as toilett paper? This might help you get over it. ...." Wahhhhhh, waaaaahhhh DCA has glossy ads that i don't like!, Waaaahhhh!".
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why do you keep mention this envy stuff all the time planediveguy? I think your givin DCA more credit than its due.

Certainly not I, if thats what your hinting at. I prefer not having to kiss asses to get an "Interview". I d rather EARN it rather than drop a bunch of money on someplace that holds my hand and makes me jump through a bunch of hoops to get it.

I admit though for a way to rake in the money the scheme is genius. They just keep that carrot on a string out there for the students to keep striving for. Plus it keeps critcism down cause you wouldn't wanna offend the people who make recommendations on hiring instructors.

Brilliant = Yes

Ethical = Hell No!
 
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I guess you took that at heart! If you think I am arrogant because I think some people are envious... too bad! I was not talking about you specifically. And since I am not impressed with your show of muscles above...( I come from another industry where I too have my hours ten times over.... and in like in that industry, this one is also full of egoes, fluff and pretense)

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I think you're arrogant because of the content of your posts, which boast BS through and through. You're so full of yourself it's disgusting. DCA teaching that as part of their curriculum, or are you just a bad example for the school? I said that my beef wasn't with the school staff and instructors, I even noted them to be probably very competent, my beef was with the management. Obviously, you want this to be a beef with the instruction staff there. I'm optimisitc that you're just one bad example for the school and not representitive of it's overall staff attitude.

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One of the pilots that I knew that had 140000 hours and flew for Executive Jets.... he passed away in a GA accident when his airplane wings clipped a tree... So the only hour that counts is the next one. I don't need to be reminded to the fact that I am new to this industry as I have stated that myself.

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Yeah, you're right, experience counts for nothing.......you really don't have a clue do you? Those without experience are normally the ones that fail to see the value in it. Of course the grim reaper can bite your ass at any time; in your case, and with your attitude, it's likely to be sooner than later. Youre so freaking green, you don't even have a clue how much you don't know. You'd be wise to know when it's time to open your pie hole and when it's time not to. Oh wait, you don't even have the experience to know that.

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And the time is overdue for all you guys to get over the ads...Do you post DCA ads over your dartboard? Use it as toilett paper? This might help you get over it. ...." Wahhhhhh, waaaaahhhh DCA has glossy ads that i don't like!, Waaaahhhh!".
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I simply believe in ethical advertising, something you must not believe in.

Get over yourself, seriously. How old are you? I've almost got to believe that your posts are pure flame bait.

No matter. I'll likely be reading about you in due time in the NTSB files.......likely even be writing about you.........
 
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"Get over yourself, seriously. How old are you? I've almost got to believe that your posts are pure flame bait."

Kinda reminds me of the time planediveguy inserted foot in mouth by saying 135 freight multi time isn't what the regionals are looking for...

Ever since then I've never taken anything he said seriously.
 
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I am currently going to DCA at Jacksonville University. I am going to get out of that and go to ATP to finish my comm. multi (Got about 10 hours in the DCA seminole, which pales in comparison to the ATP noles) and then do the CFI program. I wanna say thanks to some of the older guys here that enlightened me about the industry and the other oppurtunities out there. I really didnt know much when I signed on with DCA. It is a great place to train but its too much money for me and I wanna do some part 135 flying before I apply for an airline position. I cant understand most of the students at DCA that just wanna go from seminole to CRJ, much fun can be had flying night freight in IMC.
 
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I am currently going to DCA at Jacksonville University. I am going to get out of that and go to ATP to finish my comm. multi (Got about 10 hours in the DCA seminole, which pales in comparison to the ATP noles) and then do the CFI program. I wanna say thanks to some of the older guys here that enlightened me about the industry and the other oppurtunities out there. I really didnt know much when I signed on with DCA. It is a great place to train but its too much money for me and I wanna do some part 135 flying before I apply for an airline position. I cant understand most of the students at DCA that just wanna go from seminole to CRJ, much fun can be had flying night freight in IMC.

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Good luck to you. Night freight was both fun and good learning for me.
 
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why do you keep mention this envy stuff all the time planediveguy? I think your givin DCA more credit than its due.
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It keeps some of the "big guys" egoes in flames... which makes for a more colorful thread...

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Certainly not I, if thats what your hinting at. I prefer not having to kiss asses to get an "Interview". I d rather EARN it rather than drop a bunch of money on someplace that holds my hand and makes me jump through a bunch of hoops to get it.

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That is the perception that a lot of students have, and I did have that too. In reality the guy that kisses ass is an annoyance and we don't recommend them for hire. Students that are recommended are the ones that worked hard, learned their stuff and performed. The ones that don't want to put the effort and blame everyone else for their failure are eventually the ones that don't make it.

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I admit though for a way to rake in the money the scheme is genius. They just keep that carrot on a string out there for the students to keep striving for. Plus it keeps critcism down cause you wouldn't wanna offend the people who make recommendations on hiring instructors.

Brilliant = Yes

Ethical = Hell No!

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For some people the glass is always half empty, and for others always half full.... Do I think that DCA is perfect? Heck no! But after those initial 100 guys getting hired this year we are already losing more guys to ERJ's and CRJ's....So you can say that for me that glass is half full
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